DC Area Voters

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i think julian has already made comments on the usefulness of caucuses,

But Julian's proven to be an idiot, also.  He quoted George W. Bush to prove a Democratic point for Christ's sake - that's one step below SNL.
 
 

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  plus, could not the caucus results also show how poor the clinton campaign is at grass roots and on-the-ground organization? ,

Oh sure, Julian gets credit for making a point, but I don't?  Bollocks.
 
 
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 i'm not saying that mccain will carry new england (other than new hampshire), i'm just wondering why the supposed ability to cross-over is treated differently when both have potentially the same ability

Well, if the Republican's aren't worried about Obama taking red states from the 2000 election away in the 2008 election, than why are the blow hards on the radio so concerned about making sure Hillary's gets the nomination?
 
 You know as well as I do that the Ethanol comment in Iowa and the auto jobs comment in Michigan that McCain made, while factually correct, makes keeping those two states very tough in November.  Same for NAFTA - the only debate in Ohio and the rest of the upper mid-west is about one party wanting the status quo and the other wanting to change it.  What's McCain going to accuse Obama of, not really wanting to change NAFTA?  The first question a reporter will ask him, well, what's wrong with that - isn't that your stance?  That's not going to help him there (and you know I support most of NAFTA, but I don't live in a State that percieves NAFTA as a problem).

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  What's McCain going to accuse Obama of, not really wanting to change NAFTA?

Most of this crap has been disproven by now, looks like a politically motivated leak by conservatives in Canada that distorted the original memo.  I am sure Hillary will set the record straight as soon as she can. She wouldnt want Republican help would she.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  Well, if the Republican's aren't worried about Obama taking red states from the 2000 election away in the 2008 election, than why are the blow hards on the radio so concerned about making sure Hillary's gets the nomination?
 
 You know as well as I do that the Ethanol comment in Iowa and the auto jobs comment in Michigan that McCain made, while factually correct, makes keeping those two states very tough in November.  Same for NAFTA - the only debate in Ohio and the rest of the upper mid-west is about one party wanting the status quo and the other wanting to change it.  What's McCain going to accuse Obama of, not really wanting to change NAFTA?  The first question a reporter will ask him, well, what's wrong with that - isn't that your stance?  That's not going to help him there (and you know I support most of NAFTA, but I don't live in a State that percieves NAFTA as a problem).

i think the republican blowhards want hillary because she would be easier to beat (if there's one thing republicans can all agree on, it's that they don't want hillary in the white house).  
 
 btw, gore won michigan and iowa in 2000, so if you're looking at that map, then it doesn't really matter if mccain wins them or not.  if mccain wins the same states as 2000, he gets 278 electoral votes.  from the 2004 map, if mccain loses ohio, but wins new hampshire, keeping the rest of the 04 states, he wins with 270.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 btw, gore won michigan and iowa in 2000, so if you're looking at that map, then it doesn't really matter if mccain wins them or not.  

I know - I was making two separate point in different paragraphs, one about the red state/blue state comment and one about the midwest argument, but decided not go back and quote your other (earlier) post.  Sorry for the confusion.
 
 EDIT: I also just saw that I used "keeping" instead of "winning" - I'm just too lazy today to go back and fix it.  My bad.

[ratioci nation]

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[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Originally posted by xneverwherex:
  Personally, Ill throw a vote to Nader (or not vote) before supporting her. Im really disgusted with how we are attacking our own nominees in our party. Shouldnt we be saving this vitriol for McCain??
 

I would never, ever vote for Nader.  I'd almost vote for McCain over Hillary, but I don't think I can bring myself to do that.   I do think he will win, though, if she wins.

[ratioci nation]

I can't wait to hear what the Clinton campaign has to say about Oregon's all votes by mail system, I am sure it isn't fair for some reason.  I guess the only positive out of this mess is that my Oregon vote may have some tiny bit of significance.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by callat703:
  If she gets the nomination, it'll mean the superdelegates upended the pledged delegates and (most likely) the popular vote.  If the Democratic Party allows that to happen, as I've said before on here, I'll not support the party again.
 

according to abc news, this is the current vote total:
 
 obama- 13,567,226
 clinton- 13,571,404
 
 i can only assume that these vote totals include michigan and florida, since fox has obama up by 3,355 votes including michigan and florida.  i will note that abc's numbers are as of 6:15 PM eastern, whereas fox's numbers are as of 12:15 PM eastern.  fox also breaks out the numbers including only florida (obama up by 330,000) and without florida and michigan (obama up 626,000).

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  But Julian's proven to be an idiot, also.  He quoted George W. Bush to prove a Democratic point for Christ's sake - that's one step below SNL.
 

No, I didn't. It's not my fault your reading comprehension is on par with a fourth grader and even when I explain your error to you, you still don't get it.
 
 For the second time, saying, "...even GWB would find that messed up," is not quoting or citing GWB on an issue, only using him as a facetious example to show how ridiculous the issue at question was.
 
 It's like talking about a professional athlete's rape charge and saying, "even Mike Tyson thinks that's messed up." Mike Tyson didn't ever comment on the other athlete's rape charge, nor does he probably think it's "messed up," but joking someone who's done something similar is offended by it highlights how egregious and against the social norms the act in question is.
 
 I'm sorry you're a colossal idiot and can't  understand what you fucking read. Even George W. Bush thinks that's messed up.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Obama could top Clinton by 3
 
 By Mike Ward | Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 03:55 PM
 
 With all the back-and-forth over the delegates gained by Obama and Clinton in yesterdayâ??s Texas primary, this word is just in from state Democratic officials.
 
 Obama could pick up a net gain of three delegates, after all the dust settles.
 
 Hereâ??s how Dem officials say thatâ??s possible:
 
 Clinton won the popular vote, and could pick up as many as four delegates from that.
 
 Obama appears to be winning the caucus voting on delegates, and could pick up as many as seven delegates there.
 
 If that holds true, Obama would end up with three more Texas delegates than Clinton.
 
 But weâ??re staying tuned for the final results, whenever they come out.

[ratioci nation]

The Canadian Press â?? Canada's domestic equivalent of the AP â?? is reporting that the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And as it turns out, Brodie's original conversation with reporters focused much more on Hillary as the candidate whose people were reassuring Canada that the anti-trade rhetoric was all just campaign talk.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/report_naftagate_leaker_said_h.php
 
 This should put to rest the media isnt fair to Hillary bullshit, they just handed Ohio to her because they didnt do their job.

[ggw]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie...

The dude from the Lightning Seeds?

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
   It's absolutely unconscionable to withhold millions of people's right to have a say in who the Democratic nominee is simply to punish their state. George W. Bush thinks that's messed up.

Sure.  Just show me in your original argument where the word "even" is and I'll take it all back.  I can only comprehend what I read.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by vansmack:
 Sure.  Just show me in your original argument where the word "even" is and I'll take it all back.  I can only comprehend what I read.

Look, lets put it to a vote: who understood I was being exaggeratively facetious, and who thought I was actually citing President Bush's opinion on the matter? If more people were confused, I'll gladly apologize.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
   I'll gladly apologize.

There's no need to apologize.  I shouldn't have called you a name in the first place.  I thought what you said was silly and your backtrack even worse.  That's all.  But there was no need to call you a name so I apologize.