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Venerable Bede

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2006, 07:55:00 pm »
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 I think the PUC actually sends it employees home early to conserve energy in a stage two crisis, so that's why the decisions are made so haphazardly and nobody seems to know what's going on....and I am absolutely blaming Venerable for causing all of this.  They gave him the big bucks to move all the way across the country and fix this and in his first 4 months of being on the job - status quo.
 
 I'm starting a campaign to recall venerable bede a soon as I can turn my lights on.
i wish i could go home. . oh wait, it's almost 5.
 
 in any event, smackie, you really don't want to know what i'm working on, cause its something that i support (and you know what that means).
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2006, 08:00:00 pm »
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the grove?  i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
 
 And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2006, 08:05:00 pm »
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  in any event, smackie, you really don't want to know what i'm working on, cause its something that i support (and you know what that means).
Just what I suspected - Stage 4, where we invade Oregon and thus the "Energy Wars" have begun.  
 
 Lock your doors, Pollard and Random Citizen!!  The Libertarians are coming and they've got "states rights" behind them!
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Venerable Bede

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2006, 08:06:00 pm »
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the grove?  i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
 
 And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland. [/b]
ahhh. . maryland energy policies. . boy, could i go on about that.
 
 and yes, it is paranoia when the first thing you think about when someone says blackout is "oh, what evil power company is withholding power this time."  why aren't you considering malfeasance with the st. louis or nyc blackouts?
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2006, 08:28:00 pm »
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the grove?  i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though. [/b]
You really are an outsider, aren't you?
 
 And again, it's not paranoia when you know crap like that really does go on. With that said, I think I now know more about the energy policies in the state of Calif. now than I do in Maryland. [/b]
ahhh. . maryland energy policies. . boy, could i go on about that.
 
 and yes, it is paranoia when the first thing you think about when someone says blackout is "oh, what evil power company is withholding power this time."  why aren't you considering malfeasance with the st. louis or nyc blackouts? [/b]
No, it's not. Paranoia has no basis in reality. Unfortunately, there is a history of that kind of stuff going on, be it legal or not. If you go back, you see that I only wondered, not stated that it was an absolute. Now, if you want to call me a cynic, go right ahead.   :D  
 
 I only noted Calif. because of it's connection to the servers being cut back at MySpace which is in Calif..
 
 I'm not sure that I want to know anymore about the energy policies here in Maryland. Based on what I already know, I don't know if I'm more disgusted with the companies themselves or our crackpot politicians! Hey, I live in Maryland and if you know so much about what's going on here (and I assume you do) than you should fully understand why I'm so cynical about all of this!   ;)
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Venerable Bede

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2006, 09:04:00 pm »
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  No, it's not. Paranoia has no basis in reality. Unfortunately, there is a history of that kind of stuff going on, be it legal or not. If you go back, you see that I only wondered, not stated that it was an absolute. Now, if you want to call me a cynic, go right ahead.    :D  
 
 I'm not sure that I want to know anymore about the energy policies here in Maryland. Based on what I already know, I don't know if I'm more disgusted with the companies themselves or our crackpot politicians! Hey, I live in Maryland and if you know so much about what's going on here (and I assume you do) than you should fully understand why I'm so cynical about all of this!    ;)  
the legislature is entirely to blame for what will be happening with rates in maryland. . .
 
 like i said before, the way the market was structured in california allowed for rampant and legal market manipulation.  enron owned no generation, so there was no way for them to withhold power to meet the state's need.  what enron could do was market power that it said it had access to, when it didn't, or, it would simply tell the california iso that it is making trades so that power would flow from north to south and back again, when no such movement was taking place, all to create congestion, which would decrease reliability.  trust me, these are all arcane nuances of electricity engineering and economics- enron, like the book is called, were the smartest people in the room.  they sought profit where profit was to be made.  
 
 so, yes, i believe that it is paranoia, because your understanding of the california market (despite best attempts) is not based on the reality.  i don't care what lyndon larouche says about it, either.  
 
 now, if you don't mind. . .i have plane to catch so i can hob-nob at the meadows with other representatives from the pentaviret, where our power is generated by nuclear fisson battery packs.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2006, 09:26:00 pm »
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 [qb] so, yes, i believe that it is paranoia, because your understanding of the california market (despite best attempts) is not based on the reality.  i don't care what lyndon larouche says about it, either.  
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:roll:  
 
 You're still wrong. Paranoia is based on delusions. Paranoia and cyncism are two different things. You may know your energy policies but I know my psychology; so, get over it. And as you said, Enron had the smartest guys in the room. That's how that type get over. That much we agree on but based on your way of thinking, those who were wrong about how things would work out were also paranoid solely because they were not based on the reality that Enron, the victors, were working with.
 
 And yes, I fully understand and agree about the politicians in Maryland but there's also some other factors about bond ratings and other credit issues involving Constellation Energy that come into play. Not to mention, Maryland politicians .... again.    :roll:   But I really don't feel like getting into this.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2006, 10:28:00 pm »
Go solar.

Bags

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2006, 11:14:00 pm »
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I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
In my opinion, a great or even greater problem than corporate malfeasance is that nearly every household and every person insists on their electricity demand, exactly as is -- PCs three to a home, central air in 3000 sq foot McMansions, a t.v. in every room, running washers/dryers several times a week (I know, you're not all in McMansions, but I'll bet nearly all of you have every electrical convenience you can afford).  
 
 And yet, with all that increased demand and the refusal to conserve in any personal way (outside of emergency 'stages,' though even then it's rarely truly voluntary), people protest nearly every attempt to construct additional infrastructure (you know, transmission lines, generator plants, natural gas pipelines, coal railroads).  Even wind projects are nearly impossible to build anywhere along the east coast.
 
 what the fuck do people think powers all their shit?
 
 [Jag, not venting at you, just at the overall anger and pessimism levied at power companies while there's not only no sense of personal responsibility, but a skewed sense of "community concerns" keeping the very power people crave so difficult to build].  
 
 We now use 50% more electricity than we did only 20 years ago.  And in 20 years, it's expected we'll need more than 50% additional power to meet demand.  
 
 20 years ain't a long time.
 
 By the way, California is the worst offender.  I know, I know, while one of the best states in terms of energy conservation, they refuse to allow just about any infrastructure of real use be built in their state.  Their answer?  Build it in the Southwest or Northwest.  They can dirty their air and California will import 'clean' energy from them.
 
 California likes to act like its own nation.  A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own  continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
 
 Alas, Texas acts like its own country as well.  But you know what, it's actually not interconnected to neighboring states, electricity wise.  So they actually do sustain themselves fully.

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2006, 11:28:00 pm »
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  California likes to act like its own nation.  A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own  continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
Trade, just like every other nation in europe that gets its natural gas from Russia.  You want avacados for your guacamole (or just about any other fruit or vegetable in this country)? Hook me up with some power!  When that fails, we invade Oregon.  Then Idaho.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2006, 11:46:00 pm »
yes, they get natural gas from Russia because that's where it's available.  And then they have their own power plants that burn the Russian gas.
 
 It's like bringing in avocados for quacamole, but then not having the tools needed to peel, mash or otherwise help MAKE the quacamole.   ;)
 
 
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  California likes to act like its own nation.  A dream of mine is for it to be treated like its own  continent...Hmm, no power from all those neighboring states, what's a continent to do?
Trade, just like every other nation in europe that gets its natural gas from Russia.  You want avacados for your guacamole (or just about any other fruit or vegetable in this country)? Hook me up with some power!  When that fails, we invade Oregon.  Then Idaho. [/b]

HoyaSaxa03

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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2006, 12:00:00 am »
best. derailment. of a thread. ever.
 
 by the way, i'm planning on going to the cedars/editors show, but i might head down to the back bar for lake trout ...
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2006, 12:02:00 am »
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  [Jag, not venting at you, just at the overall anger and pessimism levied at power companies while there's not only no sense of personal responsibility, but a skewed sense of "community concerns" keeping the very power people crave so difficult to build].  
Yeah, from your end, I can fully understand that and I pretty much agree with you.
 
 In part, my anger towards the oil industry and other issues was coming out too but I was trying to stay on topic. Oh, and I just read yesterday that tax cuts for hybrid cars (or some of them) will be cut in half. So much for you know who doing anything about encouraging us to conserve.
 
 In the meantime, I almost felt quilty sitting here today feeling all nice and cool in my place without a lick of air conditioning and fully enjoying it while so many around the nation are suffering. Hasn't been on all summer either though not always as comfortable.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2006, 12:05:00 am »
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  best. derailment. of a thread. ever.
 
 by the way, i'm planning on going to the cedars/editors show, but i might head down to the back bar for lake trout ...
Why, thank you dear sir.   :D  
 
 You might want to rethink that though, about Lake Trout. They've changed. Maybe you should check them out for yourself and come back and report on how true this is. I've only heard a couple newer songs and was shocked to hear the difference. They were pretty good too. Now, whether they have completely dropped all of their old material for their live shows, I have no idea.
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Re: Editors roll call :)
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2006, 12:06:00 am »
What are you all doing awake talking about energy policy in the middle of the night?  
 
 Too hot to sleep? mwaaaaahhhhaaaahhha....
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