Dress code?

[saco]

Originally posted by Medic:
  Love to 930 from NYC!

Medic whens the PARTY!!?  
 
 Oh, and we like Tom better than you..

[poorlulu]

Originally posted by mankie:
 
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 [qb]   ]Actually, I'm probably the only one old enough to remember the real punk. [/b]

i can't believe you admited to that.............
 
 snicker

[mankie]

Originally posted by poorlulu:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 [qb]   ]Actually, I'm probably the only one old enough to remember the real punk. [/b]

i can't believe you admited to that.............
 
 snicker [/b]

Don't you mean... marathon?
   

[Celeste]

mmmmmmmmmmm marathon
 
 very clever

[markie]

Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.
 
 The clash were not really political either, Bernie Rhodes, their svengali, just saw it as a way to make them stand out. I dont think the members of the band could have really given a fuck about politics at the start.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Who cares what some Formula One guy thinks of punk?
 
 
 

Originally posted by mark e smith:
 [QB] Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political.

[mankie]

Originally posted by mark e smith:
  Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.
 
 The clash were not really political either, Bernie Rhodes, their svengali, just saw it as a way to make them stand out. I dont think the members of the band could have really given a fuck about politics at the start.

You're trying to tell me Joe Strummer wasn't political???
 
 Mclaren was nothing more than a marketing/exploiting genius.
 
 From what I remember of the beginning of the punk movement was it was plain and simple apathy because of the state of the country. That doesn't make it political though. The philosophy was nothing more than if it feels good do it regardless of what anyone else thinks...wether it be sex, clothing dancing, drinking, behavour..anything. "No one gives a fuck about us so neither do we"
 
 That is the original punk rocker, to me anyway. Still doesn't make them political though, it was the Clash that brought that to the punk table.

[markie]

Originally posted by Ballster:
  Who cares what some Formula One guy thinks of punk?
 
 

I believe that argument is known as the red herring.

[markie]

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by mark e smith:
 [qb] You're trying to tell me Joe Strummer wasn't political???
 
 Mclaren was nothing more than a marketing/exploiting genius.
 
 From what I remember of the beginning of the punk movement was it was plain and simple apathy because of the state of the country. That doesn't make it political though. The philosophy was nothing more than if it feels good do it regardless of what anyone else thinks...wether it be sex, clothing dancing, drinking, behavour..anything. "No one gives a fuck about us so neither do we"
 
 That is the original punk rocker, to me anyway. Still doesn't make them political though, it was the Clash that brought that to the punk table. [/b]

Actually punk is anti apathy, and Strummer was not political till Rhodes told him to be.

[thirsty moore]

So, when's this going to turn into NYC vs. London?

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by mark e smith:
  Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.

Malcolm's view of punk was nothing more than fashion and money. There was nothing more to the above schtick other than to give the Dolls a new image. And it failed miserably.

[markie]

Originally posted by Skeeter:
   

Originally posted by mark e smith:
  Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.

Malcolm's view of punk was nothing more than fashion and money. There was nothing more to the above schtick other than to give the Dolls a new image. And it failed miserably. [/b]

Ding ding DING.
 
 Agreed on all points. Bernie Rhodes, copied Mclaren, gave the clash a political identity and that was succesful. Probably because they started off with it, not having it thrust opon them after a couple of albums.
 
 
 Considering Malcolm liked fashion and money, he did rather well for himself, infact if it were not for him I have a sneaking suspicion that we would not be arguing about punk now. I dont think there would have been a pistols or a clash, and without them there would be no joy division, new order...........

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

And the Mekons would have skipped their whole punk rock period and become the first British honky tonk band.

[markie]

Originally posted by Ballster:
   the first British honky tonk band.

The rolling stones?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

...was just referencing the article in the Post Express this morning describing the Mekons as starting out during a time "when punk rock was young and dangerous...Then, something happened. In 1985, the Mekons were possessed by an older, darker, more nihilistic force than even punk rock: American honky tonk. Their album, "Fear and Whiskey" came seemingly out of nowhere, inflected with their newfound obsession with Hank Williams and Gram Parsons."