Edward Snowden Playlist

[slappy]

you're just talking out of your ass ... point me to the law that gives the US federal government the authority- and also point me to the Supreme Court decision that upholds the law as constitutional- to record all calls, track all internet activity, etc etc and have people listen in on my calls without a warrant.

I seriously want you to do that otherwise I'll conclude you don't know what you're talking about.

Not defending him but I think he's talking about the whole NSA intelligence industrial complex and not specific laws ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/23/nsa-intelligence-industrial-complex-abuse

[hutch]

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

This is just a variation on the "well, if you're doing nothing wrong... you should have nothing to worry about, right?"

[James Ford]

I just said I don't have a problem with it. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not commenting on the legality of it.

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

But doesn't all of that fall into the category of a warrantless search?  It's not like they suspect you.  They're just searching you in case you're doing something wrong - or in case you ever do. 

[sweetcell]

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

i get what you're saying, my emails and phone conversations aren't that interesting either.  however, it says a lot about a society and how its government regards its citizens.  this is a variation on the "if you've got nothing to hide you'll have nothing to fear" argument, which has been torn to shreds by many:

- http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
- http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
- http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
- http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/
etc...

[hutch]

the next step to the if you've done nothing wrong is the "well he must have done something.."

it really is a slippery slope...

[James Ford]

Kind of a shame there's a few bad apples who have to go and "spoil" it for us all. So how do you propose they stop the bad apples from doing bad things, like blowing shit up?

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

i get what you're saying, my emails and phone conversations aren't that interesting either.  however, it says a lot about a society and how its government regards its citizens.  this is a variation on the "if you've got nothing to hide you'll have nothing to fear" argument, which has been torn to shreds by many:

- http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
- http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
- http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
- http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/
etc...

[hutch]

Kind of a shame there's a few bad apples who have to go and "spoil" it for us all. So how do you propose they stop the bad apples from doing bad things, like blowing shit up?

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

i get what you're saying, my emails and phone conversations aren't that interesting either.  however, it says a lot about a society and how its government regards its citizens.  this is a variation on the "if you've got nothing to hide you'll have nothing to fear" argument, which has been torn to shreds by many:

- http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
- http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
- http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
- http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/
etc...

ah the assumption that this is really preventing stuff from being blown up.. why? because the head of the National Spy Agency told you so?

I seem to recall all the blacklists of "communists" in the 50s, all the ruines innocent lives, were also to protect our national security..

protect me as best as you can while respecting my rights...once you trample on them what exactly are you protecting? My right to live an unfree life freely???

[James Ford]

I'd rather them know what beer my brother is drinking than have someone blow up the government building I'm working in.

Kind of a shame there's a few bad apples who have to go and "spoil" it for us all. So how do you propose they stop the bad apples from doing bad things, like blowing shit up?

I actually don't have a problem with the government monitoring my phone and internet conversations. Why would they even care about a conversation I had with my brother about beer, or about what my mom said when she was blathering on about American Idol? It's not like they are sitting there listening to every word anyway. Their ears would only perk up if someone uttered some kind of terrorist bullshit keywords. Which doesn't happen.

i get what you're saying, my emails and phone conversations aren't that interesting either.  however, it says a lot about a society and how its government regards its citizens.  this is a variation on the "if you've got nothing to hide you'll have nothing to fear" argument, which has been torn to shreds by many:

- http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
- http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html
- http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
- http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/
etc...

ah the assumption that this is really preventing stuff from being blown up.. why? because the head of the National Spy Agency told you so?

I seem to recall all the blacklists of "communists" in the 50s, all the ruines innocent lives, were also to protect our national security..

protect me as best as you can while respecting my rights...once you trample on them what exactly are you protecting? My right to live an unfree life freely???

[hutch]

I'd rather them know what beer my brother is drinking than have someone blow up the government building I'm working in.

you think them knowing what beer your brother is drinking is going to prevent your building from being blown up?

 

[hutch]

It is really amazing how afraid people are.. they will give up their rights because they fear death... they have no problem having others die for them though...others dying to protect those same rights they willing give up.....


I don't mind dying as long as I'm living free. The Government has no business knowing what I talk bout or what I do on the internet.. not unless they can show probable cause..... And lets get this straight: spying on ME is somehow going to prevent some Saudi terrorist from blowing ME up? The whole thing is laughable and I am sorry for people that buy this false choice "rationale"... that you can only be safe if you give up your rights or something.....

[grateful]

I'd rather them know what beer my brother is drinking than have someone blow up the government building I'm working in.

you think them knowing what beer your brother is drinking is going to prevent your building from being blown up?

 

Only communists drink [insert brand] beer!  /McCarthy hearing/

[azaghal1981]

Must suck living a life in which you think there are boogiemen wishing to blow you up lurking around every corner. "They have already won" (as they say) if you go around with that fear and are willing to compromise basic civil liberties because of it.

[James Ford]

Might suck for you, but as I have already said, I'm perfectly happy with the arrangement. As long as nobody in my family gets blown up, the government can know what kind of beers my brother drinks and what my mom thinks of American Idol.

Must suck living a life in which you think there are boogiemen wishing to blow you up lurking around every corner. "They have already won" (as they say) if you go around with that fear and are willing to compromise basic civil liberties because of it.

[azaghal1981]

So you are happy to give up basic civil liberties in return for a false sense of security. Got it.

[James Ford]

I have to go through an x-ray machine every time I enter my workplace. I'm willing to do that to keep somebody out who may have a bomb strapped to them. What's the difference?

So you are happy to give up basic civil liberties in return for a false sense of security. Got it.