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bearman🐻

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Re: Shutdown playlist
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2018, 10:09:23 am »
Look they came in the country illegally...I think we need way more immigration and I am pro amnesty for everyone but the only way to accomplish that is to win elections and Democrats need to stop being the party of illegal immigrants and Muslims or they will lose the midterms and trump will be re-elected in 2020

You summed up why this issue isn't polling well in marginal districts and why people don't give a crap about someone who came into the country as a minor (probably not even by their own choice) and now wants to try to stay here. I don't think people realize how HARD it is now for someone who is seeking asylum in this country to stay here. Imagine you're a North Korean refugee and you want to stay here because you have a relative in this country. You know you what you need? A birth certificate. BUT North Koreans are never ISSUED birth certificates. So what do you need? A lawyer to help your argument to stay. The system is changing and making it harder for anyone who wants to become a US citizen.  And as the son of immigrants, I feel pretty disgusted when people don't have an ounce of common sense that they are lucky and privileged to be Americans but clearly don't have a shred of empathy just because they're a generation or 3 removed from the issue. The shutdown should not have happened. Over any issue. And it's ugly that what has surfaced is a "not for THESE people" sentiment. It stems right from the "shithole countries" comment.

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Re: Shutdown playlist
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2018, 11:05:03 am »
We need a system like Canada, where immigration is based on merit and not on whether you are lucky enough to have a relative in the country.
 
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/opinion/canada-immigration-policy-trump.html

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Re: Shutdown playlist
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2018, 11:15:58 am »
Look they came in the country illegally...I think we need way more immigration and I am pro amnesty for everyone but the only way to accomplish that is to win elections and Democrats need to stop being the party of illegal immigrants and Muslims or they will lose the midterms and trump will be re-elected in 2020

You summed up why this issue isn't polling well in marginal districts and why people don't give a crap about someone who came into the country as a minor (probably not even by their own choice) and now wants to try to stay here. I don't think people realize how HARD it is now for someone who is seeking asylum in this country to stay here. Imagine you're a North Korean refugee and you want to stay here because you have a relative in this country. You know you what you need? A birth certificate. BUT North Koreans are never ISSUED birth certificates. So what do you need? A lawyer to help your argument to stay. The system is changing and making it harder for anyone who wants to become a US citizen.  And as the son of immigrants, I feel pretty disgusted when people don't have an ounce of common sense that they are lucky and privileged to be Americans but clearly don't have a shred of empathy just because they're a generation or 3 removed from the issue. The shutdown should not have happened. Over any issue. And it's ugly that what has surfaced is a "not for THESE people" sentiment. It stems right from the "shithole countries" comment.

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Re: Shutdown playlist
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2018, 11:32:32 am »
We need a system like Canada, where immigration is based on merit and not on whether you are lucky enough to have a relative in the country.
 
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/opinion/canada-immigration-policy-trump.html
Agreed. We are far to the left of Canada on this issue which is not something we say very often.
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