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« Reply #825 on: July 12, 2019, 05:09:32 am »
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« Reply #826 on: July 12, 2019, 09:44:27 am »
Sec Acosta resigning

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« Reply #827 on: July 12, 2019, 09:47:58 am »
Sec Acosta resigning

Trump knows he's really vulnerable on this Epstein stuff.  Only question is whether a Democratic candidate will be able to really hammer him on it.

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« Reply #828 on: July 12, 2019, 09:56:03 am »
Sec Acosta resigning

As an aside, can we just declare that this guy is the oldest looking 50 year old white collar professional on earth?

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« Reply #829 on: July 12, 2019, 09:57:36 am »
Yes!


He has one strangely shaped skull

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« Reply #830 on: July 12, 2019, 05:40:52 pm »
Also, wild to think anyone would call this a distraction TBH.

You might also take look at page 28 of Chief Justice Robert's Opinion of the Court (page 33 of the document):

"We do not hold that the agency decision here was substantively invalid. But agencies must pursue their goals reasonably. Reasoned decision making under the Administrative Procedure Act calls for an explanation for agency action. What was provided here was more of a distraction."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf
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« Reply #831 on: July 19, 2019, 09:47:27 am »
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« Reply #832 on: July 19, 2019, 01:36:52 pm »
They had me at this line in the Leaders section:

"It is a familiar pattern. The president says something outrageous—this time Donald Trump told four black and brown-skinned Democratic congresswomen, all of whom are us citizens and three of whom were born in America, to “go back” where they came from. His supporters, who have come to accept what many of them previously found unconscionable, stay silent. His opponents, rightly appalled, lament what has happened to their country. At the same time the Trump administration makes a big policy change that attracts far less attention—in this case, an edict that directly affects tens of thousands of people a year and overturns half a century of precedent."

But then Lexington brought it home:

The Economist: Lexington

The 2020 campaign will be more racially divisive than 2016 was
There is method behind Donald Trump’s “go home” tweets


Print edition | United States
Jul 18th 2019

Donald trump’s bigotry is such an established part of American public discourse that, in retrospect, one of the most febrile debates of 2016 looks naive. Back and forth it went, in the months before the election, as the Republican candidate issued a slur against a Mexican-American judge and for a while refused to disavow the endorsement of a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard. Was Mr Trump mainly appealing to his supporters’ economic concerns—in spite of his chauvinism? Or was his race-baiting really the main draw?

The answer was in long before the president sent an especially offensive tweet this week, inviting four unnamed, but by inference non-white, Democratic congresswomen to “go back” to where they came from. It was settled before he refused to condemn the white supremacists of Charlottesville two years ago. The data from his 2016 election have been scrutinised, and the resulting analyses, detailed in books and papers, are in agreement. Political scientists find no clear economic rationale for Mr Trump’s victory.

Many states, such as Georgia and Maryland, which had moved away from the Democrats in the tough times of 2012, drifted back towards their candidate in the better ones of 2016. The millions of working-class whites whom Mr Trump recruited in rustbelt states did not buck that trend because of economic anxiety. They were no likelier to attribute their vote to it than they had been in 2012.

Rather, they were unified by nothing so much as antipathy to America’s growing diversity, and an attendant feeling that whites were losing ground. Both were expressed in hostility to immigration, immigrants and welfare spending (which many wrongly believed was being slurped up by migrants). No doubt these feelings were exacerbated by economic as well as cultural and sometimes personal fears: people are complicated and America is changing. These sentiments also predated Mr Trump. Yet they had not been such a big factor in voting decision-making until he made them so, by drawing out his audience’s inner grievances, like a magnet tugging at a metal splinter.

In their book “Identity Crisis”, John Sides, Michael Tesler and Lynn Vavreck describe the rationalisation such Trump supporters made as “racialised economics”. Only a small minority of voters hold old-style racist views on questions like black-white marriage, but a very large number believe that “undeserving groups are getting ahead while [my] group is left behind.” An earlier study by the Voter Study Group found hostility to immigrants to be the best predictor of a Trump voter. One by the Public Religion Research Institute found much the same. There has been no serious counter-argument. Mr Trump’s race card was the winning one.

Hence his inflammatory comment this week. For while the strength of the economy might appear to have given him a better electoral option, Mr Trump is intent on a repeat performance. There is no prospect of him toning down his rhetoric and pocketing the grateful majority of Americans who consider their personal finances to be “good” or “excellent”. The fact is, his behaviour and policies have already repelled a majority of voters. He wants the applause of his adoring base too much to change style. And his view that America is essentially a white country messed up by escapees from non-white ones appears to be irrepressible. Amid the continuing outrage his racist tweet stirred this week, there are three important things to say about this.

First, Mr Trump’s campaign will be more racially divisive than it was in 2016, when he won white voters by 20 percentage points. He was still feeling his way then, looking for praise from the New York Times and msnbc’s “Morning Joe”. And when he did ramp up the rhetoric he was criticised by Republican leaders. Even as late as Charlottesville, his inflammatory language was repudiated by elected Republicans, business leaders and senior aides including his daughter Ivanka and Gary Cohn. He has received nothing like such criticism this week. Moreover, his slur against the four congresswomen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley—of whom only Ms Omar was born overseas and Ms Pressley is not even of recent migrant stock, merely black—came not from an eccentric candidate, but the president. If Mr Trump only repeated his divisive 2016 lines next year, they would carry more weight. And he will probably say worse, because he wants vindication, for himself and his reviled method. In the event of any setback, he is liable to double down.

It might work again, too, which is the second point. Mr Trump’s approval ratings are low, but resilient and competitive. Set aside the state-level polling, which is less positive for him, and he is only a few points short of the 46% he won in 2016. He need not be loved to make up the difference. He needs only to make his opponent more hated, which was his other ploy in 2016. This makes Democratic voters, whose early support for Joe Biden suggests a demand for a plain-vanilla moderate whom Mr Trump might find hard to demonise, more sensible than the party’s left-wing activists. They see in his vulnerability an opportunity to bring about a leftward shift that most Americans do not want. One plausible, though possibly too ingenious, theory for his attack on Ms Pressley and the rest, all of whom are left-wingers, is that he wanted to boost their prestige within the party. That may in any event be the result.

The Gipper took a different view

Democrats must resist Mr Trump setting their agenda in any way. They do not need revered anti-Trump warriors. They need to be able to rebuke his divisiveness smartly, keeping in mind their own reputation for hyperventilating. The bill introduced by Nancy Pelosi to censure his tweet passed that test. Its citation of a line from Ronald Reagan’s last presidential address, “If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost,” also spoke to the third point, which is the fundamental one. Mr Trump’s exclusionary vision of America is a travesty.

This article appeared in the United States section of the print edition under the headline "Back to where he came from"
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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #833 on: July 19, 2019, 05:24:33 pm »
Prediction on Lincoln Chafee going for a run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket

seems like it will have no impact
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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #834 on: July 19, 2019, 05:26:06 pm »
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« Reply #835 on: July 22, 2019, 12:23:57 pm »
Has Kamala learned nothing...you can't piss of TayTay and be President

Taylor Swift Block Vote May Be In Jeopardy For Kamala Harris, Thanks To Scooter Braun Fundraiser


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« Reply #836 on: July 22, 2019, 12:42:48 pm »
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« Reply #837 on: July 22, 2019, 12:59:09 pm »
I actually think pushing Franken off the boat was the best thing she's ever done. 
Would like to hear more about this...
an interesting blow by blow of the whole event...and people still are conflicted on their decisions at the time

July 29, 2019 Issue of the New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
A close look at the accusations against the former senator.


most are sticking to their guns
but this was a well orchestrated take-down by they right and the left gladly pulled the cord on the

(although he resigned on his own volition)

I still struggle with this myself as I think that demeaning and sexual advances by men in power are not to be tolerated
I still think we threw the baby out with the bathwater and lost one of our best voices in the democratic side as I don't think he was or is a serial sexual predator in the slightest

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« Reply #838 on: July 22, 2019, 05:36:21 pm »
nate is having none of it....

Nate Silver @NateSilver538

Let me be direct and clear: This article is a master class in biased reporting and editing. There are so many subtle ways that it seeks to manipulate the reader into taking Franken's side.
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Re: The 2020 thread....
« Reply #839 on: July 22, 2019, 05:43:53 pm »
Yeah I saw that