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sweetcell

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4155 on: March 07, 2023, 01:45:48 pm »
reminder: the vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID.  it prevents you from getting it badly, i.e. it lessens the effects when do you get it.  if you think it was bad with the vaccine (and i have no doubt that it suuuucked), you can be assured it would have been much worse without it.  having protection via the vaccine may make you less likely to get full-on 'vid because your body can fight off small infections, but it doesn't give you full and true immunity.

anti-vaxxers like to point to vaccinated people still getting COVID as "proof" that the vaccine doesn't work... that's cynically incorrect.  it's misattributing a quality to the vaccine, then complaining when it doesn't have it.
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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4156 on: March 07, 2023, 01:54:42 pm »
Donít talk to me like I am an idiot.

I feel I got it pretty badly.


And when the vaccines were first announced and for many months figures were cited left and right about 90% plus efficacy in preventing getting covid period. Nobody said get the vaccine and you are still guaranteed to get covid. In my family all of us were fully vaccinated and boosted and still got it.

Get off your soapbox dude.






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« Reply #4157 on: March 07, 2023, 02:49:24 pm »
Donít talk to me like I am an idiot.

certainly not my intention.  apologies - for real, i apologize - if you felt targeted.

I feel I got it pretty badly.

clearly, sounded horrible.  glad to hear you're starting to feel better!

And when the vaccines were first announced and for many months figures were cited left and right about 90% plus efficacy in preventing getting covid period.

newer strains of COVID, like the omicron family, have taken that 90% figure way down since the early days of the pandemic.  expecting 90% is no longer realistic. 

Nobody said get the vaccine and you are still guaranteed to get covid.

correct, no one has ever said that.  there is no guarantee.  there still are folks out there who haven't gotten it, rare as they are.  what "they" have been saying, for at least a year now, is that vaccinated & boosted folks can still develop full-on covid (and they're much, much less likely to be hospitalized when compared to the unvaxxed).

In my family all of us were fully vaccinated and boosted and still got it.

the 'vid ran through my boosted and vaxxed family as well, and it suuuuuuucked.  the only saving grace was that the missus and i didn't get it badly at the same time, so at least one of us was semi-functional and able to keep things afloat.

Get off your soapbox dude.

i only wanted to address your statement "Itís interesting that the vaccine didnít prevent me from getting it".  it's a false expectation with the BA.4 and BA.5 variants and their sub-variants running amok. 
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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4158 on: March 07, 2023, 03:04:38 pm »
I'm going to challenge your "rare as they are." statement with this one:

About half of American adults surveyed say they have been infected with COVID-19 at some point, with 35% saying they have tested positive for COVID-19 before.Dec 14, 2022


https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/health/half-us-population-has-had-covid-many-cases-are-going#:~:text=About%20half%20of%20American%20adults%20surveyed%20say%20they%20have%20been,positive%20for%20COVID%2D19%20before.

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4159 on: March 07, 2023, 03:16:29 pm »
 I mean how can anyone say with any certainty I would have gotten it worse without the vaccines and boosters?

This is bandied about as gospel but where is any evidence?

The most likely reality is that covid is just weakening over time and people getting it in 2023 arenít getting it as badly as they would if they got it in 2019.

And, again, when people were told to get vaccinated they were told these vaccines were effective in preventing getting covid. Numbers werenít 90% eitherÖwe were told like 98%!! And wasnít the point of boosters to prevent newer variants from evading the vaccine protection?

Isnít vaccine by definition supposed to prevent getting the virus? Something that makes you get it ďless badlyĒ isnít a vaccine per se, or is it?

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4160 on: March 07, 2023, 03:18:50 pm »
I mean I plan to keep getting any vaccines and boosters I can but they are a big disappointment and I feel like the messaging regarding these @vaccines@ is a crock.


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« Reply #4162 on: March 07, 2023, 03:36:11 pm »
Thatís greatÖyou have a lower chance of dying if not vaccinated

Not disputing that which I think is the point those charts make


But itís a pretty big distance from hey if you just get vaccinated you have virtually no chance of getting covid to hey if you get vaccinated you have a lower chance of dying but are going to get it anyways..instead of 3% or whatever chance of unvaccinated dying from covid your chance goes to virtually zero. I mean 3% is not a huge chance..of course itís exponentially more than nearly 0.

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4163 on: March 07, 2023, 03:37:45 pm »
And I donít see those charts as evidence I would have gotten it worse without being vaccinated Öwe just donít know..

What I think is true is if I had gotten it in early 2020 I would have likely died

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4164 on: March 07, 2023, 03:46:31 pm »

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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4165 on: March 07, 2023, 03:56:47 pm »
The most likely reality is that covid is just weakening over time and people getting it in 2023 arenít getting it as badly as they would if they got it in 2019.
Isn't what's most likely is "both"?
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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4166 on: March 07, 2023, 06:22:10 pm »
Am sorry..am ticked off cause my kid got into trouble at school todayÖ


Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4167 on: April 07, 2023, 03:10:13 pm »
So while I get the intention was good...not sure I'm not a big fan of the Virality Project

some 1984 stuff going on
 giving tinhats ammunition
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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4168 on: April 08, 2023, 04:56:53 pm »
got the Cros
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/david-crosby-died-after-contracting-covid-19-graham-nash-says/ar-AA19CKWl

well per graham nash, not a doctor

guy had a lot going on in his body and was a liver transplant recipient ...so died with covid is more accurate
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Re: COVID-19 2020
« Reply #4169 on: April 08, 2023, 06:04:31 pm »
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