Author Topic: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024  (Read 114773 times)

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #495 on: July 22, 2024, 10:03:21 pm »
Let me add that this is the same media that said Trump had no chance after the Access Hollywood tape. How did that work out?

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #496 on: July 22, 2024, 10:29:14 pm »
I mean this is about winning or is it about job performance?
Winning. Thanks for asking.
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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #497 on: July 22, 2024, 10:44:38 pm »
Well exactly and winning is not about being old.

It’s not about future performance. It’s about being able to win.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #498 on: July 23, 2024, 07:08:06 am »

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!
yet
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« Reply #499 on: July 23, 2024, 07:23:46 am »
Well exactly and winning is not about being old.

It’s not about future performance. It’s about being able to win.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

The Biden vs. Obama presidency would be an interesting historic discussion. IRA vs. ARRA.  Staying in Afghanistan vs. bloody retreat.  Budget caps deal vs. sequestration etc...etc...  I haven't put enough thought into it to have a strong opinion.

I felt like Biden was likely to lose before the debate.  2020 was too close and his standing was worse. I do still wonder if everyone had pretended the debate was fine, would it have just gone away in the public conscious. I think there is a good chance that it would have, though the polls in swing states maybe suggest that isn't the case. I think the bigger problem is, he was losing before the debate and he needed it to shake things up. (His team felt similarly or they wouldn't have scheduled the early debate).

Folks running down ballot didn't think the bad debate was something that could be ignored. They felt like saying that things were fine would undercut their own legitimacy and so Biden was pulling them down. While Manchin just wanted to stick Biden because he could, folks like Sherrod Brown don't come out unless they really feel threatened. Their job is to get elected, so I put some stock in their reactions.

 If you asked me to pick a Dem to lead a ticket to take on Trump, Kamala wouldn't be in my top 10 (even withot fantasy picks like Oprah). As for historic precedents, we've also never voted for an 80 year old, or an incumbant whose approval is in the 30s.  I don't like where we are but since I had already written Biden off and was terrified about the House and Senate, I'm cautiosly optimistic that this could be a net positive. But I don't feel good about it.

And then if we want assign blame for the situation I assign it to Biden and his team for refusing to acknowledge they had a problem.  Even worse they hid the President for 18 months, attacked any press who wrote about it and generally stacked the deck by changing the primary order. But if you think that Biden was the best chance of winning, then I can see how Pelosi and Schumer get the blame.

Regardless, no one can blame Bernie, AOC or progressives this time.  This is purely the neolibs fighting it among themselves. The joys of late stage capitalism.
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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #500 on: July 23, 2024, 08:23:06 am »
Nice post. What is your take on Ween?

Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #501 on: July 23, 2024, 08:23:40 am »
 #YesWeKam

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #502 on: July 23, 2024, 09:01:24 am »
Yeah time to move forward

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #503 on: July 23, 2024, 10:09:22 am »
Nice post. What is your take on Ween?
Probably not on Kamala's playlist, so they aren't on mine. Right now I'm trying to talk myself into Charli XCX.
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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #504 on: July 23, 2024, 10:34:57 am »
Nice post. What is your take on Ween?
Probably not on Kamala's playlist, so they aren't on mine. Right now I'm trying to talk myself into Charli XCX.
people are saying she has Pure Guava on vinyl
I'm still not sure if Brat is a compliment or a diss?
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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #505 on: July 23, 2024, 11:40:04 am »
This is kind of a bonkers statement IMO.  I think HRC is a world-class scumbag, but she did win the popular vote by like 3 million votes!  And people HATED her!  She just didn't win because she was arrogant.

I don't see why it's so far-fetched that someone without the baggage she had could win it!  I don't know if that's Harris, but to say this country wouldn't elect a woman seems like cope.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #506 on: July 23, 2024, 12:43:16 pm »
^I'm with NKOTB on this

but the real question is, will NKOTB buy that CD box set with all the signatures!
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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #507 on: July 23, 2024, 12:49:38 pm »
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/22/kamala-harris-campaign-fundraising

"ActBlue announced grassroots supporters had raised as of 9pm ET $46.7 million via the Democratic donation-processing site following her campaign launch, which it noted on X was 'the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle.""
add 100 million to that number...not even 72 hours
https://observablehq.com/@rdmurphy/actblue-ticker-tracker

Day   Amount raised
   7/23/2024   $13,633,419
   7/22/2024   $67,221,729
   7/21/2024   $66,972,690
   7/20/2024   $6,950,825
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hutch

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #508 on: July 23, 2024, 01:04:58 pm »
This is kind of a bonkers statement IMO.  I think HRC is a world-class scumbag, but she did win the popular vote by like 3 million votes!  And people HATED her!  She just didn't win because she was arrogant.

I don't see why it's so far-fetched that someone without the baggage she had could win it!  I don't know if that's Harris, but to say this country wouldn't elect a woman seems like cope.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

There are very few industrialized countries in the world that have never had a female leader.

We are definitely behind and it’s not coincidence. The UK elected Thatcher in 1979 or 45 years ago! We hadn’t even had a female VP until a few years ago!!!!

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Re: The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024
« Reply #509 on: July 23, 2024, 01:24:33 pm »
This is kind of a bonkers statement IMO.  I think HRC is a world-class scumbag, but she did win the popular vote by like 3 million votes!  And people HATED her!  She just didn't win because she was arrogant.

I don't see why it's so far-fetched that someone without the baggage she had could win it!  I don't know if that's Harris, but to say this country wouldn't elect a woman seems like cope.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

There are very few industrialized countries in the world that have never had a female leader.

We are definitely behind and it’s not coincidence. The UK elected Thatcher in 1979 or 45 years ago! We hadn’t even had a female VP until a few years ago!!!!

Wait. We've had a female VP?