Phish Breaking Up

[ggw]

Originally posted by redsock:
 Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast.

That's an odd claim.

[chaz]

I've never heard anything by these jam bands either.  I did go to a few dead parking lots in the early 90's though.  Wierd scene.  A girl I knew helped pay for college by selling jewelry she'd made at dead shows.  I helped her sell necklaces and stuff and I got to keep some of what I made for her.  Everytime I'd make a dollar or two I'd buy a beer or a balloon or whatever.  It was fun!  Her stuff was really nice and would sell pretty well.  Not a bad way to spend two or three days out of my life.
 
 Never did get inside for the music though.  The dead's music was not my thing.  In fact, other than the whole traveling circus aspect I never could figure out the appeal at all.  Overall though the scene seemed ok except for the whole drunk jock set of folks that always seemed to gravitate towards these things.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I'll bet the Dead's music is as different from Phish's as Guided by Voices' is from Modest Mouse's.

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet the Dead's music is as different from Phish's as Guided by Voices' is from Modest Mouse's.

The Dead's music seems much more varied to me...they have some that sounds really country-ish and some that's quite jazzy...I think the Dead's basic tunes before they go into the jams are a little more traditionally structured than Phish's songs

[mankie]

Originally posted by Skeeter:
  I actually know a few people who are as proud as can be that they've never heard a Phish song, yet they are absolutely sure that Phish sucks.  I don't really understand that. I can perfectly understand why people would hate the music.  But I don't understand the pride that comes along with never even listening to it before forming an opinion.

I never claimed to have formed an opinion regarding their music did I?
 
 Just looking at Phish Phans (good huh?) is enough to turn me off though.

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by Bollocks:
  I never claimed to have formed an opinion regarding their music did I?

Nope - point taken.

Originally posted by Bollocks:
  I can proudly say I have lived my 43 (very nearly 44) years of life without having heard ONE Phish song/tune/jam whatever it is they call it. Even though there's a Phish cd right in my kitchen!

Originally posted by Skeeter:
  I actually know a few people who are as proud as can be that they've never heard a Phish song, yet they are absolutely sure that Phish sucks.  I don't really understand that. I can perfectly understand why people would hate the music.  But I don't understand the pride that comes along with never even listening to it before forming an opinion.

I'm 43/44.  I once heard a fish song on "progressive free-form" WRNR.  Fish suck. Suckerfish suck.
 
 FISH HEADS:  Now I'd buy that for a dollar!
 
         

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  I'm sure that the other moderaters will agree, that refereeing name calling spats is not our number one priority.
 
 But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively.  Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others.  But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away.  Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.

Who took a dump in the sandbox?  I swear it wasn't me this time...

[redsock]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by redsock:
 Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast.

That's an odd claim. [/b]

The Dead aside, most Jam bands stick to heavy touring on the east cost for a reason. Look at Phish. They play a couple of midwest and west shows a year, but always play NJ, phili, and Boston. Go to jambase.com and check out all the decent jam festivals. mostly on the east coast.

[redsock]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  What planet are you on?
 
 I'll bet none of GBV's albums have sold more than 100,000 copies. I'll also bet a new Phish album sells at least five times that much. So in a sense, you are right about the ratio being off.  

Again, I said except for phish. And I'm sure some of the recent GBV CDs have sold more than 100,000 copies.

[ggw]

Originally posted by redsock:
 most Jam bands stick to heavy touring on the east cost for a reason.

Wouldn't that reason be population density?
 
  <img src="http://static.userland.com/images/aef/population.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 Plenty of California shows and festivals on jambase.com

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Well the initial comparison was between Phish and Guided By Voices.
 
 If you're going to change who we're comparing, I'll choose a less popular indie band.
 
 Still, the NY Times puts the GBV sales figures at 50,000 per album. So I wouldn't be so sure of your claim, if I were you.
 
 Hell, even the Old 97's sell more albums than GBV.
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/17/arts/music/17VOIC.html?ex=1384405200&en=3614eb012cd74f56&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
 
 Mr. Pollard knows that every album, every single and all the side-project discs he issues will probably be bought by at least a corps of diehard fans, which he numbers at about 3,000. Several Guided by Voices albums have each sold about 50,000 copies. While those aren't platinum figures, they're enough to allow Mr. Pollard to continue answering his apparently chatty muse.
 
 
 

Originally posted by redsock:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  What planet are you on?
 
 I'll bet none of GBV's albums have sold more than 100,000 copies. I'll also bet a new Phish album sells at least five times that much. So in a sense, you are right about the ratio being off.  

Again, I said except for phish. And I'm sure some of the recent GBV CDs have sold more than 100,000 copies. [/b]

[Bags]

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively.  Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others.  But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away.  Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.

I agree with you completely, Kosmo, I've certainly noticed.  But I don't think the higher trolling factor has anything to do with namecalling, cuz there's been virtually none on here for months.  In fact, there was a lot more activity say, last fall, when there was more consistent squabbling going on.  I'm not sure what the falloff's attributable to...for a while I thought there wasn't as much music playing around town that the board folks follow (generally), but we actually had some killer weeks in April and May.  

[mankie]

Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
   

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively.  Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others.  But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away.  Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.

I agree with you completely, Kosmo, I've certainly noticed.  But I don't think the higher trolling factor has anything to do with namecalling, cuz there's been virtually none on here for months.  In fact, there was a lot more activity say, last fall, when there was more consistent squabbling going on.  I'm not sure what the falloff's attributable to...for a while I thought there wasn't as much music playing around town that the board folks follow (generally), but we actually had some killer weeks in April and May.   [/b]

I thought I was just getting bored with the board again, and was considering banning myself for a month or so like I have in the past.
 
 Maybe the board has reached it's life expectancy though.
 
 I can't say I've noticed much serious shit slinging recently. Light-hearted piss taking, but not real nasty stuff. Well, apart from Rhett of course, but he does it so often the rest of you should be immune to it at this point.

[godsshoeshine]

phish has about as much in common with gbv as either band does with the old 97's and wilco.

[Bags]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 The equal justice thing to do would have been to call her a "cunt" in return for her calling me a "prick".

Nope, I think prick and fat cow are of equal weight.  C*** is a word that is held in reserve for especially egregious situations.  For instance, you'd say prick or fat cow in front of your boss or your mother, but would you say c***?  I accepted that we hit each other equally and moved on...hasn't happened in ages, which is the more amazing part of the story.
 
 I'm more befuddled over the still active discussion of GBV vs. Phish.  My comparative illustration was carried way beyond my intent...you never know what will spark the controversy, among the dozen of us who still post regularly...