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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2005, 01:12:00 pm »
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  For the record,  parents and everyone else for that matter are always allowed to hang out in the Backbar without a ticket.
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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2005, 01:47:00 pm »
Why do you respond as if you're a kid instead of an adult? How old are YOU?
 
 The fact that his parent is concerned about his safety makes the parent cool, not uncool.
 
   
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  Not trying to be patronizing here Alec, but how old are you? I remember one day I cut school and just stayed at home that morning. Sugar was doing a record signing and I wanted to meet Bob Mould. My mom asked me why I wasn't going to school and I simply replied "I'm a good kid, I never ask you for shit, I get good grades and this is my get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm not going in, this is something I want to do, and that's that." She was so floored she just simply muttered "just as long as this doesn't become a habit". My point is that sometimes (if you're a responsible kid) you CAN put your foot down. Ask to be treated like an adult and sometimes you'll get it. Not all parents are as cool as my mom (this of course is the woman who got me PJ Harvey's autograph), but then again I used to NEVER think my mom was cool. And I was wrong.

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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2005, 01:51:00 pm »
The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m.  You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
 
 Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
 
 I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club.  Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...

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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2005, 02:38:00 pm »
Rhett, as an adult I'm trying to lend a sympathetic ear to the kid, but give me a FUCKING break...anyone that has a clue knows the risks of what is out there in the big bad world. I didn't say a thing about the parent's decision to keep his kid locked up. But let's face it, he's probably in just as much danger (or more so) in going to school as he is going to U Street to see a show at the 9:30 Club.
 
 Of course, then I have to ask myself why I even bother responding to you anyway.

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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2005, 03:58:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Bags:
  The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m.  You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
 
 Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
 
 I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club.  Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...
I guess I'm going to start protesting the renewal liquor license of Saint-Ex, The Black Cat and whatever else is near my house you indie fucks go to  :)  All you drunks that talk loud late at night after leaving your shows and bars, leaving beer bottles on my block so you can do some pre-show drinking is a nuisance. Oh wait, don't believe me...I'm sure it was some thug kid and not some white suburban kid leaving these empty whippits on my block right? It goes both ways...not that I'd try to shutdown either of said mention establishments as I love both, but just proving a point...
 
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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2005, 04:29:00 pm »
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  i've heard the killer is still lurking around the area, looking for little white boys to shoot
 
 can we hope and pray that this means less high school kids at shows?  i feel sooooo damn old whenever i go to 930 or black cat ... and i'm not even 25!
glad to know we are soing are job...hahaha you are so old!!!

Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2005, 05:41:00 pm »
It's usually the minorities that litter. At least that was my experience watching people on the streets of Adams-Morgan.
 
 
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Originally posted by Bags:
  The shooting in question was also at 3:00 a.m.  You should be LONG gone by that time of the night, the witching hour, so to say.
 
 Further, from the article, "The Cardozo-Shaw Neighborhood Association already was protesting renewal of the club's liquor license, saying its late-night patrons are a nuisance."
 
 I'll bet there aren't any neighborhood complaints about the 9:30 Club.  Apples and oranges as long as you don't go wandering all through Shaw...
I guess I'm going to start protesting the renewal liquor license of Saint-Ex, The Black Cat and whatever else is near my house you indie fucks go to   :)   All you drunks that talk loud late at night after leaving your shows and bars, leaving beer bottles on my block so you can do some pre-show drinking is a nuisance. Oh wait, don't believe me...I'm sure it was some thug kid and not some white suburban kid leaving these empty whippits on my block right? It goes both ways...not that I'd try to shutdown either of said mention establishments as I love both, but just proving a point...
 
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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2005, 05:48:00 pm »
Oh, sorry. It sounded like you were telling to kid to make demands of his parents rather than respecting his parents authority.
 
 
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  Rhett, as an adult I'm trying to lend a sympathetic ear to the kid, but give me a FUCKING break...anyone that has a clue knows the risks of what is out there in the big bad world. I didn't say a thing about the parent's decision to keep his kid locked up. But let's face it, he's probably in just as much danger (or more so) in going to school as he is going to U Street to see a show at the 9:30 Club.
 
 Of course, then I have to ask myself why I even bother responding to you anyway.

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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2005, 06:15:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
  The fact that his parent is concerned about his safety makes the parent cool, not uncool.
 
the fact that his parent made that blanket "because i said so" decision without factoring in the real factors for that kid's safety for the evening makes that parent a fucking idiot, not cool ... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2005, 11:02:00 pm »
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  ... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now.  But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city.  I can understand.  I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street.  It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks.  Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day?  No.  Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can  see in a lifetime?  Probably not.  I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a  million shows to see, you can miss this one."  As a mid-30something,  that's true.  As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
 
 While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable.

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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2005, 10:07:00 am »
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  ... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now.  But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city.  I can understand.  I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street.  It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks.  Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day?  No.  Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can  see in a lifetime?  Probably not.  I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a  million shows to see, you can miss this one."  As a mid-30something,  that's true.  As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
 
 While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable. [/b]
Well put.

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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2005, 10:13:00 am »
i just would like to provide a different type of response here with some firsthand info.
 
 as some of you already know, or don't know, i am 15 years old (actually, not even!  14 until my birthday tomorrow.  i just tend to LOOK a lot older than i really am).  but it's still pretty damn young.  i live in BETHESDA, the most overprotective and sheltered community around here.  and i make music my pastime + love going to shows, so this of course places me and my parents in quite the pickle.
 
 i went to my first show at merriweather when i was in fifth grade, and came to 9:30 first when i was in 7th grade (about twelve years old).  i also go to shows a lot, at least twice a month but sometimes much more.  the bands that i usually want to see are pretty much always playing at 9:30 or the black cat.
 
 since i started going to these shows, i always have had to have a "responsible adult" (i.e. a parent willing to take us, or my brother--whose ticket i have always had to pay for myself) take us to the show, and stay in the club.  i made my dad take me to see joan jett when i was 11 years old and he had a miserable time--he loves music too, but classical.  i have had to find other people to take me to shows, and it's really really rough.  especially since now, the people that have been taking us to the shows (friends parents, my brother) won't take us anymore, as they realize that their presence is unnecessary.
 
 the locations of the clubs of course is the main concern here.  my dad grew up in DC, and the areas where the clubs are now were where all the riots and violence took place when he was growing up, and he sees the neighborhood that way, and always will.
 
 
 it's taken me years to work this out with my parents.  first they were concerned about other people in the club, then they were concerned about me being out too late (they stopped letting me go to shows on school nights about two years ago), and it's finally just come down to the area.  there is actually a huge debate going on in my household right now, because my dad doesn't think i should be able to start going to shows with at least two other friends and NO responsible adult present(we would get rides to & from the club), and my mom thinks it is okay.  i recently went to a show with a group of kids and no adult, which my mother had said was okay and my dad got very pissed about.  it is especially frustrating, because HE is the one who i inhereit the muscal interest from.  so, tips i can give?
 
 - tell your parents that realistically, there is not much risk.  once you are inside the club (assuming that you stay in the club and don't wanter the streets), you are perfectly fine.  any creep on the street is not going to have the ability to pay to get into these shows every night, and harass kids.
 
 - try to reason with them, or make an agreement.  don't yell and whine a lot.  and make sure you understand where they are coming from before you try to reason with them.
 
 - if you really are a good kid?  tell them so, like somebody above suggested.  i am a sweet kid that is ridiculously opposed to smoking and drugs of any sort, i don't have sex, i'm not going to go out and drink myself pissy at this age, and i do fantastic in school.  and realizing this was probably why my mom is now trying to convince my dad that it's okay for us to start going to these things by ourselves.
 
 - and also?  if you think there is something going on that will FREAK out your parents about the area, you don't have to always tell them or let them find out!
 
 
 good luck, though.  if you need anything else you can always PM it over here.

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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2005, 10:17:00 am »
now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?

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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2005, 11:27:00 am »
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  now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?
damn straight!!  as a former gun control activist who gave the cause up because i was so damn frustrated/cynical, this whole thing just really deflates me.
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Re: SHOOTING
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2005, 11:36:00 am »
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Originally posted by Bags:
   
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  ... if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now.  But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city.  I can understand.  I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street.  It did raise issues -- that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks.  Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day?  No.  Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can  see in a lifetime?  Probably not.  I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a  million shows to see, you can miss this one."  As a mid-30something,  that's true.  As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
 
 While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable. [/b]
i understand where you're coming from ... and that kid who got shot while playing outside, man that was just disgusting, really a tragedy ... but the bottom line is that there was no more danger after the recent shaw shooting than before, the shooting wasn't a random act of violence
 
 from all my past gun control research, one of the biggest things that stood out is the overwhelming percentage of murders that are committed by people who either know each other or have a previous conflict ... the whole random shoot-you-on-the-street-because-you-didn't-give-me-your-wallet deal really rarely happens
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