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[ggw]

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 If we taxed gas by $1 per gallon I can guarantee you they'd find a way to make SUV's more efficient. I'm in favor of that by the way, put a huge tax on it and watch the SUV's disappear.
 

I'm in favor of that as well...our gasoline is way too cheap.  May be the only way to get some conservation and "new" technology going. [/b]

No way.  The liberals would then bitch about the "rich" being the only ones able to afford gas.  So then President (Hillary) Clinton would have to enact some sort of gasoline tax credit for the middle class, which would just negate the whole thing.  Except it would have the politically advantageous effect of shifting the taxes to those evil, dastardly bastards who had the temerity to work hard and make money.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
       

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
         

Originally posted by mark e smith:
 

[/b]

If we taxed gas by $1 per gallon I can guarantee you they'd find a way to make SUV's more efficient. I'm in favor of that by the way, put a huge tax on it and watch the SUV's disappear.
 [/b]

I'm in favor of that as well...our gasoline is way too cheap.  May be the only way to get some conservation and "new" technology going. [/b]

Raise the gas tax and abolish the car tax.  That way, those of us the use the roads the most pay the most for them.  Under the current system a little Granny in a $40k Cadilac who drive to church once a week and grocery once a week pays much more for the road/highway system than a 500 mile/week corrolla driving commuter.  It's a flawed system.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by mankie:
 
 Oil and auto companies are right up each others arseholes and we all know it.

don't forget the unions. . they are as adamant against the cafe standards as the auto companies. . coincidentally enough, most unions also support drilling in anwr, at least nominally (guess who would get the jobs??).

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by chaz:
  Raise the gas tax and abolish the car tax.  That way, those of us the use the roads the most pay the most for them.  Under the current system a little Granny in a $40k Cadilac who drive to church once a week and grocery once a week pays much more for the road/highway system than a 500 mile/week corrolla driving commuter.  It's a flawed system.

i don't think that's true. . .taxes on gasoline are used (supposedly) to pay for highway maintenance.  so, in your example, granny would be paying more simply because she is driving an inefficient automobile.  although, the car tax is based on the value of the car, right?  well, if granny is still driving her 1978 delta, i'm pretty sure her car tax isn't too much.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

It's funny that there are more conservatives on this rock and roll chatboard than there are the country chatboard I also occasionally post on.
 
    So much for the notion that all rockers were liberals.

[Bags]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
 

All of which is just a further abdication of personal and communal responsibility in favor of some glorious welfare state in which nobody has to do anything except sit on their fat ass and point fingers at those who have worked harder than them.
 
 bah....... [/b]

I was at least following your argument until the end.
 
 Read "Nickel and Dimed."  Don't know what you do, but unless you work two blue collar jobs, I'll bet you don't work harder than most people making $10,712 a year.  You know, minimum wage.  Over $20K if you work two full time jobs.
 
 FYI, it's "worked harder than  they ."

[Guiny]

Originally posted by Bags:
  Well guiny, I didn't think you would experience your $7000 in one day, one week or even one year.  That would happen over matter of years.  But I'll bet you have lost twice your rebate by this time in fees, costs, etc.
 
 Believe me or not, I don't care -- it's your money.  Hope you really enjoyed the $150.

Its not my money if i never actually recieve it, or at least that makes me feel a little better about it        
 
 Like i keep saying, i have a high school diploma, no college, a military background a good paying job so i'm happy, until someone takes that away from me i'm not gonna bitch and moan about everything. Even if they do take it away from me i'll move to a tropical island with my savings and start a beach hot dog vending business and get a tan while i'm at it.

[keithstg]

Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
  It's funny that there are more conservatives on this rock and roll chatboard than there are the country chatboard I also occasionally post on.
 
    So much for the notion that all rockers were liberals.

Rockers are aging. Que Winston Churchill quote.

[Celeste]

...tax gas by $1 per gallon

yeah, that's brilliant, so all the poor working class losers who have to live in far flung suburbs and probably DON'T work in offices downtown to which they can take public transportation will have to pay more just to get to work?
 
 I say more stringent mpg rules (like markie). Put the burden on the corporations, not the people.

[ggw]

Originally posted by keithstg:
  Rockers are aging. Que Winston Churchill quote.

If youâ??re twenty years old and are not a liberalâ??you donâ??t have a heart. If youâ??re forty years old and are not a conservativeâ??you donâ??t have a brain.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by chaz:
  Raise the gas tax and abolish the car tax.  That way, those of us the use the roads the most pay the most for them.  Under the current system a little Granny in a $40k Cadilac who drive to church once a week and grocery once a week pays much more for the road/highway system than a 500 mile/week corrolla driving commuter.  It's a flawed system.

i don't think that's true. . .taxes on gasoline are used (supposedly) to pay for highway maintenance.  so, in your example, granny would be paying more simply because she is driving an inefficient automobile.  although, the car tax is based on the value of the car, right?  well, if granny is still driving her 1978 delta, i'm pretty sure her car tax isn't too much. [/b]

You've missed my point here.  The amount we pay for the roads should be based on how much we use them.  Under the current system, Granny drives 20 mile a week to church and grocery.  But since her Caddy is worth so much more than Mr.Commuter's (who drives 500 miles/week) Camry she puts more $$ into the highway fund, even though she does 1/20th the driving of Mr. Commuter.  
 
 Perhaps the gas-guzzling Caddy part confused the issue...I was just trying to use an expensive car as a part of the example but it raises an even better point mentioned earlier.  Raising gas taxes will will encourage us wasteful Americans to drive cars that are more enviro-friendly, therefore encouraging auto makers to design and build more enviro-friendly cars etc....

[ggw]

Originally posted by Ms. Lipps:
  Put the burden on the corporations, not the people.

Yes please.  Let's make it so that corporations dictate what is best for us.   :roll:

[Celeste]

Originally posted by chaz:
 [Raise the gas tax and abolish the car tax.  That way, those of us the use the roads the most pay the most for them.  Under the current system a little Granny in a $40k Cadilac who drive to church once a week and grocery once a week pays much more for the road/highway system than a 500 mile/week corrolla driving commuter.  It's a flawed system. [/QB]

not really...a 40K Caddy is a luxury item, that 500 mile/week corrolla driver is driving a reasonable vehicle, probably to WORK

[Celeste]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Ms. Lipps:
  Put the burden on the corporations, not the people.

Yes please.  Let's make it so that corporations dictate what is best for us.    :roll:  [/b]

that's not them deciding what's best for us, that's just a small bit of government regulation in the right place...

[ggw]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Ms. Lipps:
  Put the burden on the corporations, not the people.

Yes please.  Let's make it so that corporations dictate what is best for us.     :roll:   [/b]

that's not them deciding what's best for us, that's just a small bit of government regulation in the right place... [/b]

OK.  
 
 So let's make it so that the government dictates to the corporations what to dictate is best for us.  
 
 That's double-roll-eyes-worthy.
   :roll:    :roll: