Roll Call:Wilco

[joz]

ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?  all bands are derivative of something.  the new wilco is more like television/elo/replacements than sonic youth.  and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
 
 and, rhett, i suppose you like the stones' hot rocks compilation ("forget altamont, the ed sullivan performance of let's spend the night together was the rolling stones pinnacle!") over let it bleed, (the real) EXILE, and sticky fingers.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by joz:
  ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?  all bands are derivative of something.  the new wilco is more like television/elo/replacements than sonic youth.  and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
 
 and, rhett, i suppose you like the stones' hot rocks compilation ("forget altamont, the ed sullivan performance of let's spend the night together was the rolling stones pinnacle!") over let it bleed, (the real) EXILE, and sticky fingers.

ladies and gentlemen, here's someone that doesn't understand irony.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I'll take any Stones song that doesn't have that god damned saxophone blaring in it. For the love of god, the saxophone is for pussies like Kenny G and Bill Clinton and Quarterflash and Richie Cunningham, not a real rock and roll band.
 
 

Originally posted by joz:
  ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?  all bands are derivative of something.  the new wilco is more like television/elo/replacements than sonic youth.  and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
 
 and, rhett, i suppose you like the stones' hot rocks compilation ("forget altamont, the ed sullivan performance of let's spend the night together was the rolling stones pinnacle!") over let it bleed, (the real) EXILE, and sticky fingers.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by joz:
  ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?  all bands are derivative of something.  the new wilco is more like television/elo/replacements than sonic youth.  and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
 
 and, rhett, i suppose you like the stones' hot rocks compilation ("forget altamont, the ed sullivan performance of let's spend the night together was the rolling stones pinnacle!") over let it bleed, (the real) EXILE, and sticky fingers.

we are not talking GBV, nobody could claim that they are not derivative, we are talking about whether or not Wilco is evolving, I don't think becoming more derivative is evolving, and I don't mean the new album all sounds like sonic youth, I mean when they try and sound like sonic youth it sucks, they take other things other people do well and do it poorly, I still like Wilco, I just don't think they are evolving

[chaz]

Thank god!!  Finally a member who knows a thing or two about music.  Thanks for all the useful info!
 
 

Originally posted by joz:
  ok pollard...let's talk bands that are derivative.  let me preface this comment by saying that I really dig GBV, but seriously...is there another band out there that has ripped off more from the Who and the Beatles?  all bands are derivative of something.  the new wilco is more like television/elo/replacements than sonic youth.  and exile in guyville...CMON!  i liked that album when i was a confused 18yo but i dug it out again recently and realized that she was never really good.  the album title wasn't even original!
 
 and, rhett, i suppose you like the stones' hot rocks compilation ("forget altamont, the ed sullivan performance of let's spend the night together was the rolling stones pinnacle!") over let it bleed, (the real) EXILE, and sticky fingers.

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by pollard:
  I don't see Wilco as evolving, Tweedy certainly would like to, but I see them (to use a term you use) cherry picking from other styles they like and not making it their own in the least.  Wilco was good at writing songs, not being experimental, Tweedy just likes the idea of being experimental.  The show they did with Sonic Youth was embarassing, because seeing Wilco do songs like Kidsmoke with loud guitar bursts after seing a Sonic Youth set made Wilco look like amateurs.

yeah, sonic youth blew them off the stage. pretty much the reason i'm not going tonight, and i like both bands alot (sonic youth more so). also sonic nurse is better than the all-but-one-song i have heard from the new wilco

[grotty]

Originally posted by joz:
 

It's called evolution...all bands, at least the good ones, do it.  
 
   Wilco is NOW...and better than they ever were.  
 
  [/b]

You're missing the entire point. I never said I didn't like the new songs - I do. I never said that a band should be forced to pander to an audience & play only the "hits" - they shouldn't.
 
 But it is possible for an artist to be creative and evolutionary, yet also provide a very enjoyable concert experience that pleases fans of all growth phases. See Radiohead @ your Coachella example. They played many songs from OK Computer...even Creep. You can change the song - update it - there's no requirement that you need to play the same song, the same way you've been doing for 10 years. But don't disown an entire chunk of your creative output. On Sunday night - everyone but the most ardent of fans must have walked away scratching their heads wondering what all the Wilco buzz is about. Pollard describes it best above:
 
 "I don't see Wilco as evolving, Tweedy certainly would like to, but I see them...cherry picking from other styles they like and not making it their own in the least. Wilco was good at writing songs, not being experimental, Tweedy just likes the idea of being experimental."
 
 That's the Wilco of NOW. Evolution just for the sake of evolution is not always a good thing. Check with the dinosaurs.

[joz]

DEVOLUTION
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 EVOLUTION
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[grotty]

Here's the Post-Gazette review of the Sunday show:
 
  Wilco wills fans to cheer
 
 
 Highlights:
 
 
 By the time the guys followed "California Stars" with a two-song encore of "Spiders (Kidsmoke)," a head-on collision of Krautrock and headbanging '70s rock, and "I'm a Wheel," a raucous explosion of post-punk abandon, they'd played all but two of the album's 12 songs. It's not the most stylistically cohesive album in the world. If "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" was their "Sgt. Pepper," then this is their "White Album," sprawling all over the map and taking Wilco with it...
 
 As rewarding as it was to hear those new songs performed by a lineup that was only strengthened by the recent acquisition of guitarist Nels Cline and keyboardist Pat Sansone, several of the concert's highlights came from earlier releases.
 
 Every older song they played, in fact, found Tweedy and his latest bandmates investing the past with a sense of discovery, whether bringing extra texture to the Woody Guthrie folk-pop treasure "California Stars," or investing "A Shot in the Arm" with a greater intensity than the version on "Summerteeth."
 
 That's what I'm talking about.

[sjoswick]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB] Not to be difficult, but my preference has always been for early Beatles.
 
 And I'll take a collection of Beach Boys singles over Pet Sounds as well.

[sjoswick]

Now that's just silly.
 
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 
 And I'll take a collection of Beach Boys singles over Pet Sounds as well.

[Mobius]

As David St. Hubbins said, its such a fine line between stupid and clever.  I don't mind seeing Wilco evolve, but I didn't like YFH much, and found the "alt country Radiohead" thing closer to stupid. It seemed like a stretch into the unknown and unnecessary rather than a natural extension of the band/Tweedy.  Other people love it, so I probably missed something and I'm ok with that.
 
 My personal favorite work of Tweedy's was on Mermaid Ave.  California Stars is effing brilliant. Also like Being There and Summerteeth.
 
 And for the record, most of Sgt. Pepper's is also closer to stupid.  Take out the "hits "Sgt. Pepper's - Help from my Friends - LSD" and "Day in the Life" and its pretty weak.

[eltee]

Originally posted by Mongo:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Mongo:
  I'll be there although I am still trying to find an alternate route from Arlington.

Key Bridge to Whitehurst Freeway to K Street.
 
 K Street to 14th.  14th to U.  U to 8th.  8th to V. [/b]

Good point. I think thats my best option.  The Chain Bridge would be a complete pain in the ass and forget about 66. [/b]

Anyone have the rights and lefts on these directions?
 Also, last week, someone posted directions via E St. exit...anyone remember those? And if so, would it not be the opted way for this evening? Thanks.

[joz]

the constitution hall show last year was pretty bad...i honestly thought the sonic youth set was boring although it could've just been the venue; d.a.r. hall is absolutely one of the worst i've ever been to (no standing policy, couldn't exit/reenter to have a smoke, atm's inside were broken so i couldn't even buy an overpriced beer).  
 
 with the exception of kicking television/ kidsmoke, i had heard them play an almost identical set to the 3 or 4 shows prior.  admittedly, i was a bit bored also (once again, i blame it on the venue and nosebleed seats).  i did, however, enjoy hearing kidsmoke (all 11 minutes of it) with jim o'rourke on guitar. i saw loose fur in brooklyn a year before that and loved the new sound.  i'm glad they've shifted some of their energy in that direction and i hope a lot of other wilco fans feel the same.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

i honestly thought the sonic youth set was boring although it could've just been the venue; d.a.r. hall is absolutely one of the worst i've ever been to (no standing policy, couldn't exit/reenter to have a smoke, atm's inside were broken so i couldn't even buy an overpriced beer).
 
    Just wondering, cuz I wasn't there...how do the reasons you mention above serve as evidence that Sonic Youth was "boring"?
 
 
 

Originally posted by joz:
  the constitution hall show last year was pretty bad...i honestly thought the sonic youth set was boring although it could've just been the venue; d.a.r. hall is absolutely one of the worst i've ever been to (no standing policy, couldn't exit/reenter to have a smoke, atm's inside were broken so i couldn't even buy an overpriced beer).  
 
 with the exception of kicking television/ kidsmoke, i had heard them play an almost identical set to the 3 or 4 shows prior.  admittedly, i was a bit bored also (once again, i blame it on the venue and nosebleed seats).  i did, however, enjoy hearing kidsmoke (all 11 minutes of it) with jim o'rourke on guitar. i saw loose fur in brooklyn a year before that and loved the new sound.  i'm glad they've shifted some of their energy in that direction and i hope a lot of other wilco fans feel the same.