A Convenient Truth?

[HoyaSaxa03]

oh, i understand why pride causes anti-intellectualism in the less-educated, i just don't think it's "right"
 
 my utopian scenario (obviously unachievable, patently absurd, and riddled with inconsistencies / possibilites for abuse) consists of a pure oligarchic technocracy run by policy experts in their respective fields

[ggw]

oligarchic technocracy run by policy experts in their respective fields

That worked out well for the Soviets.

[HoyaSaxa03]

which is why i so heavily qualified it
 
 the feeling is really just an overreaction to the 15th century approach towards science that this administration takes

[renton007]

But surely you agree that arabian horse judges make the best Federal Emergency leaders.

[yinzer]

90-115 most days in the future during a dc summer = crotch pot cooking.  pass the baby powder surly.

[yinzer]

Have you ever heard of Wiki or Google?

do you mean the last word on all things factual???  like i said, that's why i stipulated your facts.

[Tom Servo]

Constitutional Robocracy

[godsshoeshine]

so...we should all die horrible deaths because the coasts think they are so big and smart and middle america doesnt like to be talked down to? we need a uniter not a divider here, folks

[sweetcell]

congratulations, dupek.  your stupidity, greed and self-centeredness have gotten the best of me... i bow before the power of your arguments.  by deflecting serious questions with nonsense, hyperbole and tangents you've made debate impossible.  good work!  bill o'reilly would be proud of you.
 
 p.s. admission is the first step.

[sweetcell]

no one can nor should challenge your assertion, mostly because that's not the point we're discussing here - the point is that there haven't been this many warm januaries this close together cause by man-made greenhouse gases.  typically it takes centuries to achieve this, we've done it in 40-50 years.  polar bears can migrate to colder climates over centuries, not over decades.
 
 if you don't believe in the effect of carbon in the atmosphere, go hang out on venus (~95% CO2,  bring your sunscreen)
 
 "The enormously CO2-rich atmosphere generates a strong greenhouse effect that raises the surface temperature to over 400 °C. This makes Venus' surface hotter than Mercury's, even though Venus is nearly twice as distant from the Sun and receives only 25% of the solar irradiance."
 
 quit being an idiot and stick to the argument, instead of bringing in everything and the kitchen sink to this debate (then asking if anyone dares challenge that this is indeed a kitchen sink).

[Venerable Bede]

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[yinzer]

This is the first warm January in 25 million years."
 
 I dare anyone to challenge this assertion.

no argument there.  in fact, the local weather guy told me that there might be a record high tomorrow for dc.  that tells me there have been januarys in the past with warm days.  there have been more lately.  that's called a trend.  
 
 kudos for at least not believing in the jesus freakery crew's estimate of a  6,000 yr old planet.
 
 my parents don't drive a volvo or anything like it.  there are no starbucks within 40 miles or so from my hometown either.  they bother to read though.  i was just saying the other day that one of the best stickers i have seen on a car was in adams morgan several yrs ago.  it was made to look just like those university stickers with which a certain kind of person emblazons their cars and their parents cars.  you know, the ones in caligraphy.  it said, "your university sucks."

[sweetcell]

where did i learn this from?
 
 1) studied enviro sciences in undergrad
 2) spent 5 years working on environmental topics, kyoto and climate change chief among them
 3) reading scientific publications
 
 of the few topics that i'm comfy getting on a soap box about, this is one of them.  if i thought i was worth it, if i thought it would convince you, i'd be happy to provide you with bibliographical references.  but i fear it's not worth any effort.
 
 surly, here's your cue to make fun of my education and experience (i.e. deflect the debate).  in the meantime, i'm going home and will shut up for a while... you've got me all riled up  
 
 p.s. migratory patterns are well-studied.  we can figure out how far polar bears would have to move to find open ice at current rates of retreat vs how fast/far they actually can go.  this is the exact reason why they're being declared endangered - it's called scientific prediction (aka reading the writing on the wall).

[renton007]

Mr. Surly,
 
 Chinaman is not the prefered nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
 
 Walter

[yinzer]

sweetcell, that type of CV simply will not do for a discussion as bereft of logic as this one.  please use your brain less.