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markie

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2004, 05:16:00 pm »
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   "bands that might get booked at the Black Cat and/or Iota, and their influences".  
Woxy does a reasonable job at this.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2004, 05:26:00 pm »
it's nice that on XMU'S electronic show, for example, they'll usually play blocks from a certain artist/CD, like a whole mess of mark farina or izdatso...  when elliott smith died, the loft became the elliott smith station for a while...
 
 As for "this forum, reviews, emusic, and cmj new music," I dunno, I prefer to try new music by hearing it, and by hearing things I might not think to pick out myself, rather than read other people's opinions about the music and then have to go through the hassle of downloading it.
 
 i'm really psyched for the pinback show at the cat next week.  if i spent all my time reading CMJ, maybe I would have discovered them anyway.  but hearing it on XMU was, in this case, as usual, more effective.
 
 is it for everyone?  well, if you're super-picky and you need a station that just plays exactly what you already know and want to hear right now, then no.  you also don't understand the concept of radio.  
 
 that, to me, is what is so fascinating about this whole thread.  radio has become so completely shitty and worthless that when it's suddenly done right, it's still not a concept that is easily "felt" by those who have largely abandoned it.  
 
 the website lists a few artists that represent the station, but believe me, it is alot more than a jukebox that plays stuff at random.   it's really all about the programming.  those who said, well, they should just stream WFMU and KCRW, hey, those are great stations.  Two great stations.  XM has far more than two of its own great stations.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2004, 05:29:00 pm »
Originally posted by J'Mal:
  that, to me, is what is so fascinating about this whole thread.  radio has become so completely shitty and worthless that when it's suddenly done right, it's still not a concept that is easily "felt" by those who have largely abandoned it.  
 

 
 Yeah, I think that's the issue here, j'mal.  I got hooked on Spinner for a while -- it's genre specific, and the genre's are quite narrow.  It's good, but you don't learn much.....

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2004, 05:34:00 pm »
bags... exactly.  i have hundred upon hundreds of CDs. sometimes, none of them jump out at me.  it's nice to let someone else spin the tunes, and even hop into a new genre once in a while and hear what someone who is ultra-good at that genre of music is doing.
 
 as for "what's at the black cat and iota and influences,"  I really think XMU is like the black cat/cheaper 9.30 show station sometimes.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2004, 07:57:00 pm »
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
  it's nice that on XMU'S electronic show, for example, they'll usually play blocks from a certain artist/CD, like a whole mess of mark farina or izdatso...  when elliott smith died, the loft became the elliott smith station for a while...
 
 As for "this forum, reviews, emusic, and cmj new music," I dunno, I prefer to try new music by hearing it, and by hearing things I might not think to pick out myself, rather than read other people's opinions about the music and then have to go through the hassle of downloading it.
 
 i'm really psyched for the pinback show at the cat next week.  if i spent all my time reading CMJ, maybe I would have discovered them anyway.  but hearing it on XMU was, in this case, as usual, more effective.
 
 is it for everyone?  well, if you're super-picky and you need a station that just plays exactly what you already know and want to hear right now, then no.  you also don't understand the concept of radio.  
 
 that, to me, is what is so fascinating about this whole thread.  radio has become so completely shitty and worthless that when it's suddenly done right, it's still not a concept that is easily "felt" by those who have largely abandoned it.  
 
 the website lists a few artists that represent the station, but believe me, it is alot more than a jukebox that plays stuff at random.   it's really all about the programming.  those who said, well, they should just stream WFMU and KCRW, hey, those are great stations.  Two great stations.  XM has far more than two of its own great stations.
Well said!

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2004, 04:51:00 am »
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 [QB] Was thinking of getting Satellite Radio now that both of them are carrying Air America.
 
 Any thoughts on which one was better? I'm primarily interested in indie pop and rock, psych, alt-folk and offbeat singer-songwriter type music. I looked at XM's lineup and it seems pretty weak on indie and underground music (only one station, XMU?). Is Sirius any better on this end?
 
 >>>>>>I would have to say XM is the better on the music side.....Also like to warn you of Air America airing on both networks.......that doesn't look like the case.........Sirius airs a channel called "America Left".......It IS NOT Air America....Air America is exclusive to XM.....check the Air America website......that being said.......XM's decision to air only an hour of Randi Rhodes's afternoon/evening drive show will not get me running to the store to install XM........she is the only experienced talker that they have and it shows.....the woman is a pitbull and doesn't back down....her phone call with Nader was classic!........I'll keep it going for free on the stream....

Seth Hurwitz

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2004, 08:09:00 am »
XM for me
 
 On The Rocks (lounge music) channel is great
 
 Sports channels are great coming home from a football game if one were to have wagering interests in the outcomes of such affairs

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2004, 09:21:00 am »
I just read (can't find the link now!) that they've secured a deal with Sirius Radio too. This will be in addition to their "talk left" station.
 
 That's awful that XM only airs an hour of Randy Rhodes! What do they air instead the other 2 hours?

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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2004, 11:45:00 am »
XM Left picks up the Air America programming, so if Air America is only picking up an hour of Randi Rhodes (she was awesome with Ozzy!!), then that's what you get. here's the daily schedule:  
 
 http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=167
 
 it does look like they play 4 hours of rhodes on saturdays, noon-4, best of:
 
 http://www.xmradio.com/pdf/america_left_grid.pdf
 
 it's unclear what sirius is going to do with their talk left now that they're going to carry air america.  there is some overlap there (schultz and colmes), and it also leaves them with 2 lefts and 1 right (and 1 "middle").  if they pick up her second hour and that's worth having ultra-repetitive hits-based programming on the music channels, that's yer trade off....

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2004, 12:19:00 pm »
Randy Rhodes' show is 4 hours (see www.airamericaradio.com).
 
 It looks like XM is running Schultz over Air America's Rhodes feed.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2004, 08:47:00 am »
I am in agreement with anyone dissapointed with XM. I got it and after the novelty wore off, the programming became very tiresome.  Only XMU is of value on the entire lineup if you ask me. Everything else is just too gimmicky or too much like FM (20 songs in heavy rotation).  They are in it to make money and they aim to please the lowest common denominator.  Real music fans need not apply.  Oh, No DJs which in my opinion sucks.  The human element of a good DJ with a good catalog, imagination and desire to seek out new artists blows away a computer picking the top tracks some program director thinks will appeal to the masses (oh, and watch out for weird insertions of top popular hit songs in a lot of the formats where they dont seem to belong).  After a full year of empty promisses and email replies from their program directors, nothing ever changed.  FM is free and you will get no better on XM.  I did not renew my subscription and have no plans to do so.  I actually heard Sirius had better programming, but to me, its the DJs that make the difference (the live person making song selections on the fly, not the cheesy jibberish).  At least FM still offers that on most stations and for free. If you have a stereo that plays MP3s, I bet you could make your own programmed set of songs that beats out XM any day, esp if you actually like music.  Ok, time to step off my soap box.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2004, 11:46:00 am »
don't know what you were listening to...
 
 first, FM is not free.  you pay for it with your time listening to commercials and contests and idiotic promotions.
 
 the notion that satellite radio is anything like FM is ridiculous.  XM has seven, arguably eight (if you count the 40s channel), full time jazz stations programming to different jazz niches.  There probably aren't seven full-format jazz stations of any kind in the entire country!
 
 Same for the rest of the lineup. Of the 68 music channels, there aren't more than five or six that duplicate common FM formats.
 
 Sounds like it isn't for you because XM can't read your mind.  Radio is designed to offer music for your consideration -- some of which you know and like, some of which you don't know and might like, and some of which you don't know and don't want to know.  It's not SUPPOSED to be the same experience as you selecting music you already have.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2004, 01:30:00 pm »
We've got Sirius in our house and in the car. I'm not going to argue on the point that XM may have more varied music programming or stuff that is more up your alley.
 
 But for variety of programming, I'll take Sirius anyday over XM. I admit to listening to alot of news programs and am a bit of an NPR junkie. Sirius has at least four public radio related streams. We're also heavily into hockey and Sirius carries the NHL broadcasts, which is great for us.
 
 So...not arguing that XM may be better for some, but I think that if you're into news/talk programming, and you've got a left wing bent, then Sirius is the way to go. We've had it since January and love it.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2004, 01:46:00 pm »
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Originally posted by picklehead Jones:
   Real music fans need not apply.  Oh, No DJs which in my opinion sucks.  
A 'real music fan' as you put it, shouldn't give a rats about a dj, because they're all about the music.
 
 If you think fm is just as good as xm you should remove the earplugs you obviously still have in after the last Blink 182 concert you attended.

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Re: XM vs. Sirius
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2004, 01:56:00 pm »
No one wants a DJ droning on endlessly about nothing, but a good DJ gives a show or station personality, picks good sequences of songs and talk about them, talks up new artists, etc. No 'real music fan' listens to music in a total information vacuum.
 
 Based on what I've read, XM stations seem to lack some degree of passion and personality. Of course you have xxx number of stations, but there's a clear dearth of the last 20 years of indie rock, since XMU apparently plays only songs from the last 18 months. I'd love to see 1 or 2 passionate music geek-like channels, with playlist advisement or shows from Big Takeover, No Depression, Pitchfork, Magnet, etc., coverage of the best of indie and underground folk, rock, country and pop of all time mixed with some of the best new stuff, speciality shows like "forgotten songwriter showcase" and the like. Until something at least a little like this happens I'll stick to mp3s.