Author Topic: Joe Strummer R.I.P. (Read 80298 times)

markie · « **Reply #75 on:** December 27, 2002, 01:22:00 pm »

Oh and by the way, if you go and listen to clash records you will realise that there are at least three great musicians in the clash.

Celeste · « **Reply #76 on:** December 27, 2002, 01:35:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: do you think music is not important because you are an eliteist?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think music is unimportant, it's just funny to recognize that many critics throw the word around. Granted, that guy who wrote the "article" that was posted, is probably a bozo himself, but some of his points were funny with a little truth to them.

Henry Dark · « **Reply #77 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:05:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I dont see what truth there is in it at all. what truth do you see rhett?perhaps this is telling: "SIDE NOTE: I�??d rather listen to every Foghat, Boston and Toto record ever made than to have to sit though one side of a Clash record ). "THIS IS A JOKE, GET IT? HAHA. Has this person actually listened to anything other than rock the casbah on the radio.As for the jibes of being poorly played or just angry, well, thats just nonsense.Sure he was at an expensive school, but then went on to live in a squat for about 7 years.PROBABLY FUN TO LIVE IN A SQUAT FOR AWHILE IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A MANSION YOU CAN GO BACK TO ANYTIME.I thought it was impressive the clash have such a back catalogue, 5 albums, without one love song. I guess tat is what the reviewer wants, hit me one more time?FIVE ALBUMS AND NO LOVE SONGS? THAT'S NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT IF YOU ASK ME. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Henry Dark · « **Reply #78 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:15:00 pm »

Truths in the article:1. It's quite tiresome to have anybody, critic or fan, tell me what is "musically important". If it doesn't touch my heart, then it's not musically important to me.2. Punk rock is for teenagers. Very well put. Of course punk rock has become such an easy target these days...3. Anybody that bashes Janeane Garofolo gets points on my scoreboard.4. HE's right. Listening to someone sing about hatred of something doesn't really bring joy to my heart.5. We'll see how much press a legend like George Jones gets when he dies.

markie · « **Reply #79 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:20:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: THIS IS A JOKE, GET IT? HAHA <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ermm, well its not very funny. Lets not get into a debate on the basis of humour, but why is that funny?As for the squat, well yes, it did remind me of the line in a pulp song, common people... "and if its cold your daddy can end it all"But 7 years isnt just a brief fling, a flirtation. I think that can be regarded as the real thing. He stuck with it until the Clash became popular.I think it takes remarkable imagination not to just write conventional love songs....I cant think of many bands who have avoided it, perhaps all the others are heavy metal, I can never decipher the lyrics to know.But then some people like looking at chocolate box art all their lives.

Henry Dark · « **Reply #80 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:30:00 pm »

I think it takes remarkable imagination to write love songs that AREN'T conventional. One could argue that Strummer was either just playing it safe by not attempting to write any, or that he was too emotionally stunted to write about love. But probably the best argument would be that he was too busy making "important" music to bother with something as trifling as love. Quite frankly, I'd rather listen to the Clash for a week straight than endure ten seconds of a Toto song. But if you're going to make fun of the Clash, negatively somparing them to Toto is a funny way to do it. Maybe you had to be around in America when Toto was at it's peak to appreciate the joke. Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but I found it funny.

markie · « **Reply #81 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:32:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Truths in the article:1. It's quite tiresome to have anybody, critic or fan, tell me what is "musically important". If it doesn't touch my heart, then it's not musically important to me. What happens if it doesnt touch your heart, yet it touched the heart and influenced other artists you listen to? It is important beacause it influenced so many people who made more music....Plus it was the first time that governments were really scared that music could change the fabric of society and begat anarchy. It sounds stupid saying and thinking that, but its true you know? and beisdes I dont see why great music shouldnt be held in the same high esteem as say the visual arts 2. Punk rock is for teenagers. Very well put. Of course punk rock has become such an easy target these days... Punk rock is just rock and roll, if thats just for teenagers, well there are a lot of grey haired teenagers in the world, how you must be missing out. As for the clash, only the clash is pure rock and roll, subsequently they pillage a whole host of musical styles. Think of it as bringing world music to peoples attention for the forst time.3. Anybody that bashes Janeane Garofolo gets points on my scoreboard. Why? I always thought she was reasonably funny and attractive. the are a lot more people worthy of derision in the world. Or do you just not like women who are not afraid to speak there own mind? 4. HE's right. Listening to someone sing about hatred of something doesn't really bring joy to my heart. so songs about injustice, racism, and oppression dont do it for you? For me they are often the most potent. 5. We'll see how much press a legend like George Jones gets when he dies.who?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[This message has been edited by markie (edited 12-27-2002).]

markie · « **Reply #82 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:38:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: One could argue that Strummer was either just playing it safe by not attempting to write any, or that he was too emotionally stunted to write about love. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>there is say 1-2 crush on you. A really early clash song. But Bernie Rhodes the clash manager and Svengali encouraged them to write about what was going on around them.Multi-cultural Britain and riots make interesting topics for songs, especially after the horror of disco and prog-rock that was the 70's.

Henry Dark · « **Reply #83 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:46:00 pm »

1. Yes, it's music that's important to some, but who gets to determine what is important? I'm sure most people don't have a clue who Joe Strummer is. My mom doesn't know Joe Strummer. My sister in law probably doesn't know Joe Strummer. 2. Rock and Roll does make up a small slice of my musical pie. Punk rock to me is just a bunch of people shouting angrily. I don't care to listen to anger, it only feeds into me and makes me an angry person. If I had to pick one "punk" band to listen to, it would be the Clash, but more for the music than the lyrics. 3. Janeane Garofolo is a smarmy, sneering cynical elitist. Perhaps some would describe me the same way, but I know in time I'll change. She seems to be proud of what she is.4. No doubt more people in this country have heard of George Jones than Joe Strummer. Except perhaps among the population of overeducated journalists.

Yank · « **Reply #84 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:51:00 pm »

Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet but the next issue of Uncut Magazine is to feature Strummer and The Clash. Unless they change it because of his death, it'll be a little surreal to read the articles knowing he was alive when the issue was drafted.

markie · « **Reply #85 on:** December 27, 2002, 03:02:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: 1. Yes, it's music that's important to some, but who gets to determine what is important? I'm sure most people don't have a clue who Joe Strummer is. My mom doesn't know Joe Strummer. My sister in law probably doesn't know Joe Strummer. well when it influences people to make music, changes peoples thoughts and behaviour, then it is important.but the same good be said of the visual arts, have any of your relations heard of Yves Klein, Frank Stella or Ellsworth Kelly. Just because they live in a cultural void does not stop the rest of the world going on about them. 2. Rock and Roll does make up a small slice of my musical pie. Punk rock to me is just a bunch of people shouting angrily. I don't care to listen to anger, it only feeds into me and makes me an angry person. If I had to pick one "punk" band to listen to, it would be the Clash, but more for the music than the lyrics. in no clash song do they just shout angrily! I think you are thinking of heavy or thrash metal.3. Janeane Garofolo is a smarmy, sneering cynical elitist. Perhaps some would describe me the same way, but I know in time I'll change. She seems to be proud of what she is. Perhaps she is your dream woman, sounds like you would be great together4. No doubt more people in this country have heard of George Jones than Joe Strummer. Except perhaps among the population of overeducated journalists.Well I dont know who he is, so cant comment either<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ggw · « **Reply #86 on:** December 27, 2002, 03:03:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: 1. Yes, it's music that's important to some, but who gets to determine what is important? I'm sure most people don't have a clue who Joe Strummer is. My mom doesn't know Joe Strummer. My sister in law probably doesn't know Joe Strummer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So popularity = quality ?? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>2. Rock and Roll does make up a small slice of my musical pie. Punk rock to me is just a bunch of people shouting angrily. I don't care to listen to anger, it only feeds into me and makes me an angry person. If I had to pick one "punk" band to listen to, it would be the Clash, but more for the music than the lyrics.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And modern art to you is probably angry people slinging "pots of paint in the face of the public" -- to paraphrase John Ruskin. Modern music like modern art requires some interaction from its audience. Generally, people would rather get the mindless enjoyment of a simple pretty picture or a simple melody than to have to engage. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>3. Janeane Garofolo is a smarmy, sneering cynical elitist. Perhaps some would describe me the same way, but I know in time I'll change. She seems to be proud of what she is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know her nor am I familiar with her work. But if she is anything like you.....well.....enough said. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>4. No doubt more people in this country have heard of George Jones than Joe Strummer. Except perhaps among the population of overeducated journalists.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Again, you are equating popularity with quality. Please reference the Billboard top songs of all time thread: <A HREF="http://www.930.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003318.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.930.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003318.html[/url]

Celeste · « **Reply #87 on:** December 27, 2002, 03:10:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: And modern art to you is probably angry people slinging "pots of paint in the face of the public" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><JOKE>No, that would be abstract expressionism. </JOKE>John Ruskin was an idiot

Henry Dark · « **Reply #88 on:** December 27, 2002, 03:14:00 pm »

So popularity = quality ?? Not necessarily, but I think that some popularity with the general mainstream is a key ingredient to being regarded as "important". Not that being important is necessarily a goal of a punk rocker and all.And modern art to you is probably angry people slinging "pots of paint in the face of the public" -- to paraphrase John Ruskin. Modern music like modern art requires some interaction from its audience. Generally, people would rather get the mindless enjoyment of a simple pretty picture or a simple melody than to have to engage.It is amazing what manages to pass for art these days, isn't it?... after all of the pretty pictures have already been painted.I don't know her nor am I familiar with her work. But if she is anything like you.....well.....enough said.Janeane Garofolo did once say that the Old 97's were her favorite band, so I guess she is a bit like me. No doubt more people in this country have heard of George Jones than Joe Strummer. Except perhaps among the population of overeducated journalists. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Again, you are equating popularity with quality. Please reference the Billboard top songs of all time thread: I feel qualified enough to say that George Jones is the best country singer (based on his singing, not his songwriting) to have lived, in my opinion. That statment has nothnig to do with quality.

markie · « **Reply #89 on:** December 27, 2002, 03:19:00 pm »

the clash were popular in the US. They sold 100 000 copise of "the clash" on import in about a year and a half.that figure isnt nearly as impressive as the 5 million creed albums sold in the US last year, but the clash remains the most popular bought "on import" album in the US history.London calling was a pretty good selling album at the time. As well.perhps you were too busy listening to TOTO?

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