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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2005, 10:04:00 am »
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 But it wasn't you that died.  And it isn't your mom who is protesting.   [/QB]
No, it wasn't me that died and like I said, I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault. My Mother would know that I went in the military for a reason and it wasn't for getting a college degree. My mother would know that there was a chance that I would fight and be killed. She would NOT have protested for that reason and even if there was a 1% chance of her doing that, my Father, Brother, cats and the rest of the family would stap her down to the bed just to make sure she didn't.
 
 But I guess some people can handle things better than others.
 
 So go ahead Cindy, waste your breath and the air we breath fighting for your cause.....I'll keep turning the channel when I see your ugly mug.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2005, 10:04:00 am »
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 impropriety
That's kind of unfair.  Bush supporters don't understand "fancy" words like that...

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2005, 10:09:00 am »
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 Bush voter calling anyone else trailer trash reeks of impropriety. [/QB][/QUOT
 
 I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2005, 10:12:00 am »
How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11?  I'll bet it's waymore than 1900.  But you don't hear any outcry for them.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2005, 10:14:00 am »
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  How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11?  I'll bet it's waymore than 1900.  But you don't hear any outcry for them.
Cindy Sheehan doesn't care about black people.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2005, 10:15:00 am »
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  I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.
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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2005, 10:16:00 am »
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 I didn't vote for Bush Einstein.
Too drunk on Election Day or voted Libertarian? Oh, wait, no difference...

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2005, 10:22:00 am »
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How many fine young men aged 18-34 have been felled by crime in America's inner cities since 9/11? I'll bet it's waymore than 1900. But you don't hear any outcry for them.  
This is probably true.  The only way that I can answer that is that the deaths that have occurred in Iraq were part of a governmental decision to go to war there, and our continued presence there ensures that more people are apt to die there.  The deaths that happen every day in our cities across the country are a part of our societal makeup and culture; its much easier to question why death happens when you can point to a specific cause (ie: war) versus identifying larger societal problems that lead to death - poverty, inequality, racism, and so forth.

Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2005, 10:27:00 am »
More like someone dumb enough to sign up for the military calling someone trailer trash reeks of impropriety.
 
    Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.
 
 
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  I was gonna call her trailer trash, but that was just too obvious.     :D  
A Bush voter calling anyone else trailer trash reeks of impropriety. [/b]

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2005, 10:30:00 am »
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No, it wasn't me that died and like I said, I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault. My Mother would know that I went in the military for a reason and it wasn't for getting a college degree. My mother would know that there was a chance that I would fight and be killed. She would NOT have protested for that reason and even if there was a 1% chance of her doing that, my Father, Brother, cats and the rest of the family would stap her down to the bed just to make sure she didn't.
   
I think this is a rather egregious misunderstanding of why many people join the military.  I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of military enlistees join because the military provides a steady paycheck, fantastic training, and an opportunity to increase quality of life through continued education and military structure.  I'm sure many military enlistees would invoke a grander sense of defending the country that lines up with the principles of our armed services, but I think ultimately the decision to join the military is preempted by self advancement and necessity - just like any other career decision that any person makes.  
 
   
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More like someone dumb enough to sign up for the military calling someone trailer trash reeks of impropriety.
 
 Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.  
Again, this isn't very fair.  Sure, there are some people who join the military who have plenty of other avenues open to them; they do it for patriotism, or family tradition, or because they want to see the world.  But what about the people who join because they don't have other career paths available to them?  The kids who grow up in the inner city who want to get out and do something more than work as a mechanic, or enlist to escape gangs and violence?  The mothers and fathers whose best opportunity to support their children and families is through the job security afforded by the military?
 
 I doubt you'd find many military folks who joined for the express reason of going to war with Iraq.  Of course, when you join the military there is a chance that you will go to fight, and with that chance, the chance that you will die.  But the ultimate truth about our military is that the troops themselves do not decide where it is that they go, and what they are required to do.  You said:
 
     
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I know my Mother would not blame someone else for my death when it wasn't that persons fault.  
Perhaps you are right in saying that it isn't the direct fault of the Bush administration, or of the government, for the deaths of our troops in Iraq.  But like it or not, they are our decision makers - they decided that the war in Iraq was a national priority.  And consequently, as the decision makers, they are the ones held accountable for the decisions that they've made.
 
 So tell me, if the government doesn't have the answers for Cindy Sheehan and the other military families who have lost relatives, who does?  It seems as though a simple question has been posed - what is the reason our soldiers continue to fight and die in Iraq?  And what is the evidence for that reason?
 
 That isn't an unreasonable question for anybody to ask this government; and it is especially reasonable if you're a grieving parent, husband, wife, brother, sister, son or daughter.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2005, 10:38:00 am »
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
     Because ultimately, if you're so stupid that you VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, you deserve whatever war your government sends you into.
Well now that I agree with.
 
 I don't get this whole "support the troops" bull. If I don't agree with the war, why would I support people who are fighting it? The people fighting the war either (a) agree with it, or (b) disagree with it, but are so morally devoid they think killing people for something they don't agree in is a better alternative then sitting in a jail cell until the end of their signup. Either way, you're scum as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2005, 10:38:00 am »
So, how was the show?

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2005, 10:41:00 am »
I pretty much only saw Thievery Corporation.  And they were fantastic, as expected.

Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2005, 10:45:00 am »
Three words. DC Gorilla Poets.
 
 And hearing Jello up there lisping away..."a group of 30 kick ath people known ath the Pure Belly Dantherth ith in the houth." was just priceless.
 
 And Ted Leo was solid, though the sight of his legs in a pair of cutoff shorts was one I could do without.
 
 
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  So, how was the show?

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Re: Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2005, 10:54:00 am »
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
 Well now that I agree with.
 
 I don't get this whole "support the troops" bull. If I don't agree with the war, why would I support people who are fighting it? The people fighting the war either (a) agree with it, or (b) disagree with it, but are so morally devoid they think killing people for something they don't agree in is a better alternative then sitting in a jail cell until the end of their signup. Either way, you're scum as far as I'm concerned. [/QB]
Wow, I'm speechless. Whoever said I was over the line definetely hasn't read this yet.