Schedule for Operation Cease Fire?

[kosmo vinyl]

people get arrested all the time for civil disoberence, why is her case so shocking or special...  at least she wasn't vandalizing property in the name of anarchy.
 
 why should she have to  mourn the lose of son quietly,  is it not her right to ask for answers?

[Guiny]

Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
 [/qb]

You honestly think, (a) Cindy Shaheen is getting reported in the Baghdad Sun-times, and (b) if so, Al Queda operatives and/or Iraqi insurgents actually go, "Hey, remember that guy we killed last year? His mom is totally for us! Wicked sweet, and I was just about to give up before this."
 
 This "emboldening the enemy" thing pro-war people throw around is no less non-sequitor then me going "I had Cheerios this morning, therefore I am the Lord Christ Jesus incarnate." [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.

[Arlette]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
   

Originally posted by Arlette:
 So then you must not agree with one of our founding principles, Free Speech?  First Amendment?  [/b]

I do agree. But I also have the right or freedom of speech to say that she's an idiot and she's only hurting the moral of our troops and giving the insurgents hope. It's my consitutional right correct? [/QB]

Absolutely.  But your posts are so vehement.  And saying she should die and is a waste of breath....just seems way extreme even when you disagree with someone.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  why should she have to  mourn the lose of son quietly,  is it not her right to ask for answers?

I believe the autopsy showed that he was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Iraq, last year, Ok, there's her answer.....Can she go home now?   :roll:

[Arlette]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
   

Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
 What does free speech have to do with the "right" to blockade a building? The police would have no problem with her and her people marching around the building and speaking their mind, but the law says you can't just stand there. If I was your neighbor, would you have no problem with me deciding one day to set up a tent 6" from your property line blocking your driveway?
 
 It might seem like a stupid law, but it's innocuous at worst. She could have easily complied and it would have made her protest no less "effective" or "potent" or whatever.
 
 To be honest, I'm sure she probably wanted to get arrested, it only makes more news for her. The fact her protesters had a chant all ready only makes it more obvious. [/b]

Exactly, I was gonna write something like that but you said it perfectly. This wasn't about her first amendment rights, it was about breaking the law.....Which I don't quite remember being in the constitution. [/QB]

Except.....no.  You were arguing all the same points well before she was arrested.  My points were about her protesting.  So were yours.  Not about being arrested.  Protesting is First Amendment.

[Sage 703]

I guess my problem with the argument that we're "emboldening the terrorists" or supporting the enemy when we question our actions is that it seems to give an absolute stamp of power to our leadership.  It is basically saying that once we commit to an action, we can't step back and reexamine what we're doing.  And I think that's insane.
 
 Isn't it more likely to show the world that we're reasonable people if we're able to admit our mistakes and work to correct them?  Or show that we're open to the world's opinion?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I think Al Qaeida and the Iraqi insurgents have plenty of motivation regardless of Cindy Sheehan. She has influence on the morale of US people, but not on the insurgents.
 
 
 

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
   

Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
 [/b]

You honestly think, (a) Cindy Shaheen is getting reported in the Baghdad Sun-times, and (b) if so, Al Queda operatives and/or Iraqi insurgents actually go, "Hey, remember that guy we killed last year? His mom is totally for us! Wicked sweet, and I was just about to give up before this."
 
 This "emboldening the enemy" thing pro-war people throw around is no less non-sequitor then me going "I had Cheerios this morning, therefore I am the Lord Christ Jesus incarnate." [/QB]

Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us. [/QB][/QUOTE]

[Guiny]

Originally posted by Arlette:
 

Absolutely.  But your posts are so vehement.  And saying she should die and is a waste of breath....just seems way extreme even when you disagree with someone. [/b]

Stick around, you'll hear about more dying comments from other people on other threads, it's not just me, you just caught me this time.   :cool:

[Guiny]

Originally posted by Arlette:
  My bad then.  He also called her ugly and that's usually a Republican tactic, commenting on someone's looks.

I did not know that was a Republican tactic, that's the first time I've heard that on this board.
 
 But you gotta admit, she's no Kate Moss.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.

Just to make sure I'm understanding your point: it's your contention that the Iraqi Insurgency© see reports of Cindy Shaheen, including the fact that her son got killed by the Iraqi Insurgency©, and they then think that Cindy Shaheen and her supporters are, what? Pro-Insurgency©?

[Guiny]

The problem I have is, whether the war is right or wrong is everyone's individual opinion. I have a problem with the whole "Bring the troops home NOW" statement. That would be a disaster, all hell would break loose a billion times worse than they are now. I'm all for ending this war but not how she wants to. We have to fix it up, somehow, then come home, we can't just pack it up this very second and leave. That would be the death of all the Iraqi's that supported us.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  I did not know that was a Republican tactic, that's the first time I've heard that on this board.

With the exception of Al Frakken, I do not recall any Democrats who based their attacks on Republicans or Republican policy on "looks." I would then offer as contrast every "critique" of anything Michael Moore has had to say.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
   

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Honestly, yes I believe the top Al Queda people do see the same news and channels as we do in the middle east, here and Europe and can use this as insentive to keep fighting us thinking our own people are turning on each other. I don't think they say the same quotes as you said like "wicked sweet" or "remember that guy" cause I doubt they could remember that particular person, but yes, I think they can use this as a positive against us.

Just to make sure I'm understanding your point: it's your contention that the Iraqi Insurgency© see reports of Cindy Shaheen, including the fact that her son got killed by the Iraqi Insurgency©, and they then think that Cindy Shaheen and her supporters are, what? Pro-Insurgency©? [/b]

Pretty good propoganda tactic isn't it?

[redsock]

Well, I was at the show all day, look for some coverage on BigYawn soon.  I though many of th performances were good. highlights include Steve Earl, Thievery for sure, and Ted Leo. Head-Roc was also very good, though some of his themes got old by the end. The Evens weren't great, Jello got old by the end of the night, and Le tigre weren't bad, but I was pretty beat by that time.
 
 In reference to the point of the day, it obviously did not change anyone's mind on the issue, but for the people who want the troops to come home, it made you feel good, which is one of the main points of these sorts of events.
 
 I find it interesting how many in this country, including Rob Gee it appears, villify Cindy. Her son was killed, in a conflict she did not feel was right. If my brother had been killed during his time over there, i would have reacted in the same way. Except she is far braver than i am, and she took it to a national level. Good for her. She is a bitch for not wanting other mother's sons dying? That is a ridiculous comment. Cindy, like nearly every other person in this country who is not a stock holder in Haliburton, wants the war in Iraq to end. The only place we all differ on is how and when. It has nothing to do with being unpatriotic, and the only people who actually believe this are the ignorant. You think the politcians really think Cindy is unpatriotic? It's called spin. They want you to think that about her, cause it villifies her to the ignorant in this country, who, judging by the number of votes Bush got in the last election, are around in vast amounts. This administration should be thankful there aren't more Cindy's out there. Then they might actually have to admit they have not handled this well. You are better than a comment like that Rob. Being patriotic means "expressing love or pride for your country." This has nothing to do with wanting the troops out of Iraq. It has everything to do with wanting an administration that actually reflects the beliefs of its citizens, and doesn't actively lie to them. Something to actually be proud of.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Pretty good propoganda tactic isn't it?

I don't understand your response. Isn't what a pretty good propoganda tactic? Trying to convince people that a woman is cheering for the people who killed her son? No, not really.