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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2004, 08:24:00 pm »
ggw, I just got around to reading Savage's piece.  Great.  I'm quite surprised there's not more clamor over not just Stern but the wave of things in general.  It should be infuriating to true conservatives, as this is the religious right at work (and pretty good proof of their increasing success), not the political right.
 
 Where'd the piece come from?  I usually see Savage in Salon or the NY Times, and I didn't come across this.  Somehow I don't see you as a Salon reader....    :p

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2004, 09:36:00 am »
I pulled it from Salon. My apologies to Dupek and you for not citing my source.
 
 
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  ggw, I just got around to reading Savage's piece.  Great.  I'm quite surprised there's not more clamor over not just Stern but the wave of things in general.  It should be infuriating to true conservatives, as this is the religious right at work (and pretty good proof of their increasing success), not the political right.
 
 Where'd the piece come from?  I usually see Savage in Salon or the NY Times, and I didn't come across this.  Somehow I don't see you as a Salon reader....     :p  

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2004, 10:12:00 am »
I am definitely not a reader of Salon.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2004, 10:49:00 am »
my bad...I had it in my head that ggw had posted the article (see, I knew he'd never read Salon)...sorry balls.  Nice piece.  The article, I mean.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2004, 04:23:00 pm »
May 3, 2004
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 The New York Times
 
 Fighting for Free Speech Means Fighting for . . . Howard Stern
 By ADAM COHEN
 
 Legal rulings about indecency have a way of quickly slipping into ridiculousness, and so it is with the Federal Communications Commission's recent decision imposing $495,000 in fines on Clear Channel for broadcasting an episode of the Howard Stern show. The F.C.C.'s opinion focuses on a program in which the self-proclaimed "King of All Media" interviewed the inventor of "Sphincterine," which the commission huffily calls a "purported personal hygiene product." A key factor in its analysis, duly noted in its "Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture," was that the segment contained "repeated flatulence sound effects."
 
 Call it the whoopee cushion doctrine. It is hard to believe that the government now regards flatulence jokes, the lamest staple of gag gift stores, as grounds for taking away a broadcast license. But since Janet Jackson's unfortunate wardrobe malfunction, the F.C.C. has been furiously rewriting the rules. Another edict holds that broadcasters can lose their licenses even for "isolated or fleeting" swear words, a doctrine arising from a single gerund uttered at the 2003 Golden Globes.
 
 Don't bother calling the commissioners philistines â?? they do it themselves. In the Golden Globe ruling, they admit their definition could put D. H. Lawrence and James Joyce off limits. Not surprisingly, though, the F.C.C. has started with Mr. Stern. He has long been a favorite target; more than half of the $4.5 million in fines the F.C.C. has imposed since 1990 has been on him. The payments were once just overhead for his highly profitable show, but with the fines soaring, and broadcast licenses at far greater risk, the economics are dramatically changed. After the $495,000 fine, Clear Channel dropped Mr. Stern from its six stations. He remains on 35 other stations, but no one can say for how long.
 
 It would be hard to quarrel with a broadcaster that dropped Mr. Stern on grounds of taste. Turn on his show or pick up his biography, "Private Parts," and choose your reason, from his peculiar fascination with the sex lives of dwarves to his on-air interrogation of his mother about her sex life. But government fines, not high standards, spurred Clear Channel.
 
 It is Mr. Stern's offensiveness that makes his cause so important. The F.C.C. is using his unpopularity as cover for a whole new approach that throws out decades of free-speech law. The talk right now is over the colorful battles between Mr. Stern and Michael Powell, the head of the F.C.C. But when the headlines fade, the censorious new regime will apply to everyone. The danger it poses to the culture is real.
 
 On March 18, the F.C.C. issued orders that spell out, as the commission puts it, "a new approach." Some of the standards are objectionable on their face. The F.C.C.'s inclusion of "profanity," which it concedes is often synonymous with "blasphemy," means, a coalition of civil liberties groups, media organizations and artists points out, that "the most commonplace of divine imprecations, such as 'Go to Hell' or 'God damn it,' are now actionable."
 
 As disturbing as the new rules, however, is the F.C.C.'s warning that it does not intend to hold itself to any specific definitions of indecency. The commission states, at the end of a list of vague categories of forbidden speech, that it will "analyze other potentially profane words or phrases on a case-by-case basis."
 
 While making its criteria hopelessly vague, the F.C.C. is removing longstanding protections that give speakers breathing room. While the law has long said that violations must be "repeated" before a penalty can be imposed, the F.C.C. now says an isolated incident is enough. Instead of requiring that offenses be "willful," the new rules hold that a broadcaster's good-faith efforts to understand highly subjective standards are "irrelevant" to whether it will be punished.
 
 This new legal landscape will stifle important artistic expression, since broadcasters will be afraid of wandering too close to an essentially undefined line. It also raises a real danger that indecency will be used to stifle political dissent. Among the comments Mr. Stern is in trouble for are a schoolyard epithet used about President Bush and another aimed at a Republican congresswoman.
 
 The combination of unknowable rules and draconian penalties is already having a chilling effect. There are reports of radio stations banning classic songs like Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and Elton John's "The Bitch is Back." The television show "ER" recently edited out a brief shot of the exposed breast of an 80-year-old hospital patient. And the satirist Sandra Tsing Loh was fired by a public radio station when an engineer failed to bleep out various words that were meant to be bleeped for comic effect.
 
 Even Mr. Stern has been transformed by recent events. He now regularly talks about the F.C.C. on his show, and his Web site has a quotation from Supreme Court Justice William Brennan, discussions of the presidential election and voter registration information. More uplifting content than usual, but it is taking Mr. Stern's time and energy away from sphincters, flatulence and all the other vulgarities he has a constitutional right to obsess about.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2004, 03:34:00 pm »
May 9, 2004
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 Howard and Me
 By IRA GLASS
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 Last night I dreamed about Howard Stern again. He was disappointed in me, and ordered me out of his car. In my dreams, I never live up to Howard's standards.
 
 I'm the host of a show on public radio, and when my listeners tell me they don't care for Stern, I always think it reveals a regrettable narrowness of vision. Mostly, they're put off by the naked girls. But Stern has invented a way of being on the air that uses the medium better than nearly anyone. He's more honest, more emotionally present, more interesting, more wide-ranging in his opinions than any host on public radio. Also, he's a fantastic interviewer. He's truly funny. And his staff on the air is cheerfully inclusive of every kind of person: black, white, dwarf, stutterer, drunk and supposed gay. What public radio show has that kind of diversity?
 
 Recently, in a show about testosterone, we stole the format Stern invented. On the air, our staff debated who among us probably has the most testosterone. Then we were tested. Then we opened the results on the air and tussled some more. That, in a nutshell, is the genius of Stern: you put all your regular characters into some situation; they argue; the situation takes a turn; they argue some more.
 
 Sadly, lots of smart people shrug off the recent government crackdown on Howard Stern -- and on other ''indecency'' -- as if it were nastiness going on in some bad neighborhood of the broadcast dial, one that doesn't concern them, one that they'd never stoop to visit.
 
 But the recent F.C.C. rulings make me Stern's brother as I've never been before. Here are just a few of the things we've broadcast on our show that now could conceivably result in fines of up to a half million dollars for the 484 public stations that run the program: assorted curse words, people saying ''damn'' and ''goddamn'' (a recent F.C.C. decision declared that ''profane'' and ''blasphemous'' speech would now come under scrutiny); various prison stories; and a very funny story by the writer David Sedaris that takes place in a bathroom and that violates all three F.C.C. criteria for ''indecency.'' It's explicitly graphic in talking about ''excretory organs or activities''; Sedaris repeats and dwells on the descriptions at length, and he absolutely means to pander and shock. That's what makes it funny.
 
 In the past, the F.C.C. would have considered context, the possible literary value or news value of apparently offensive material. And the agency still gives lip service to context in its current decisions. But when the commissioners declared in March that an expletive modifying the word ''brilliant'' (uttered by Bono at the Golden Globe Awards) was worthy of punishment, it made a more radical change in the rules than most people realize. Now context doesn't always matter. If a word on our show could increase a child's vocabulary, if some members of the public find something ''grossly offensive,'' the F.C.C. can issue fines.
 
 Because the whole process is driven by audience complaints, enforcement is arbitrary by design. Political expediency also seems to play a role. Stern has pointed out how a recent ''Oprah'' featured virtually the same words he uses but drew no fine. He urged his listeners to file complaints, to test whether the F.C.C. will penalize only those it sees as vulnerable. Agency aides told The Hollywood Reporter that Oprah Winfrey was probably untouchable.
 
 What's craziest about this new indecency witch hunt is that it's based on the premise that just one exposure to filthy words will damage a child. (I've yet to hear of a scientific study proving even that repeated exposure affects children.) Recently on my show, I asked one of the people who organizes write-in campaigns to the F.C.C., Brent Bozell, what harm it did anyone to see Janet Jackson's breast for a fleeting second, or to hear Stern use the phrase ''anal sex,'' and he said it destroyed the ''innocence of childhood.'' In our talk, Bozell used the phrase ''anal sex'' himself, presumably doing exactly as much harm to young people as Stern did on April 9, 2003.
 
 That day, a brief conversation about the act on Stern's show drew $495,000 in fines. Bozell and I received no fines. No wonder Howard kicks me out of the car.
 
 Ira Glass is the host of the public radio program ''This American Life.''

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2004, 03:46:00 pm »
And  Michael Moore on Disney's refusal to distribute his documentary Fahrenheit 911 on the 9/11 attack and President Bush.  More censorship (at least Disney is a private company -- they can make business decisions, and we can call them out on them....).  This from Moore's message:
 
 Eisner told my agent that he did not want to anger Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida. The movie, he believed, would complicate an already complicated situation with current and future Disney projects in Florida, and that many millions of dollars of tax breaks and incentives were at stake.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2004, 03:49:00 pm »
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  And  Michael Moore on Disney's refusal to distribute his documentary Fahrenheit 911 on the 9/11 attack and President Bush.  More censorship (at least Disney is a private company -- they can make business decisions, and we can call them out on them....).  This from Moore's message:
 
 Eisner told my agent that he did not want to anger Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida. The movie, he believed, would complicate an already complicated situation with current and future Disney projects in Florida, and that many millions of dollars of tax breaks and incentives were at stake.
Moore will have no problem getting somebody else to distribute the film, his outrage is timed for publicity.  He has know for a year that Disney would not release the film.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2004, 03:52:00 pm »
I agree, Pollard.  But, rather than publicity, I think Moore is upset by the hypocrisy of Disney.  Not that it should be shocking.
 
 More Moore --
 
 Here are my favorite nuggets that have come out of the mouths of their [Disney's] spinmeisters (roughly quoted):
 
 "Michael Moore has known for a year that we will not distribute this movie, so this is not news." Yes, that is what I thought, too, except Disney kept sending us all that money to make the movie. Miramax said there was no problem. I got the idea that everything was fine.
 
 "It is not in the best interests of our company to distribute a partisan political film that may offend some of our customers." Hmmm. Disney doesn't distribute work that has partisan politics? Disney distributes and syndicates the Sean Hannity radio show every day? I get to listen to Rush Limbaugh every day on Disney-owned WABC. I also seem to remember that Disney distributed a very partisan political movie during a Congressional election year, 1998â??a film called The Big Oneâ?¦ by, umâ?¦ ME!
 
 "Fahrenheit 9/11 is not the Disney brand; we put out family oriented films." So true. That's why the #1 Disney film in theaters right now is a film called, KILL BILL, VOL. 2. This excellent Miramax film, along with other classics like Pulp Fiction, have all been distributed by Disney. That's why Miramax exists -- to provide an ALTERNATIVE to the usual Disney fare. And, unless they were NC-17, Disney has distributed them.
 
 "Mr. Moore is doing this as a publicity stunt." Michael Eisner reportedly said this the other day while he was at a publicity stunt cutting the ribbon for the new "Tower of Terror" ride (what a pleasant name considering what the country has gone through recently) at Disney's California Adventure Park. Let me tell you something: NO filmmaker wants to go through this kind of controversy. It does NOT sell tickets (I can cite many examples of movies who have had to change distributors at the last minute and all have failed). I made this movie so people could see it as soon as possible. This is a huge and unwanted distraction. I want people discussing the issues raised in my film, not some inside Hollywood fracas surrounding who is going to ship the prints to the theaters. Plus, I think it is fairly safe to say that Fahrenheit 9/11 has a good chance of doing just fine, considering that my last movie set a box office record and the subject matter (Bush, the War on Terror, the War in Iraq) is at the forefront of most people's minds.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2004, 05:06:00 pm »
Weinstein agreed to fund the film.  There was never a distribution deal.  Moore knew this.  
 
 This is from the horse's mouth.

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2004, 05:32:00 pm »
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  Weinstein agreed to fund the film.  There was never a distribution deal.  Moore knew this.  
 
 This is from the horse's mouth.
how often do hollywood execs shell out cash and then NOT secure the rights to distribute the film?  my guess?  only when eisner tells them.

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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2004, 11:26:00 am »
How often do award winning filmmakers sign conracts that explicitly do NOT include distribution, admit they have known for a year that distribution was not part of the deal, and then play themselves off as poor suckers who were rooked by big evil corporations who are acting in the interests of the target of said film?  my guess?  Only when it serves as a huge boon to the promotion of that film.
 
 The only suckers in this story are the legions of Moore sycophants lining up to chow down at his trough of half-truths and contrived controversies.

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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2004, 11:32:00 am »
well, why give him money if you aren't going to distribute it? mirmax apparently told him everything was ok all along. it sounds like eisner told his agent that disney wasn't going to distribute it, then never told anyone to impliment the plan, leaving moore still thinking that everything was ok, which is what mirmax was telling him. sounds like mirmax thought they could change disney's mind, too
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Re: Howard Stern
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2004, 11:39:00 am »
i guess giving moore $6 million for a film they already passed on is the kind of thing that has eisner in so much trouble with his shareholders
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