Coldplay Presale Purchase Question

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by distance:
  well the reason that coldplay's ticket prices have gone up is that they're obviously charging more per appearance.  i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
 bands like tool and the dixie chicks charged 200,000-250,000 and such... but when were their ticket prices $69 before fees? i know tool's weren't and i doubt the dixie chicks' prices were that high.  i don't want to even imagine what the rate for coldplay is.
 
 

wasn't that list the one was sent to University Entertainment boards?  those prices are inflated because the promoters know that those organization are less experienced in concert promotion and because they have student activity money to supplement appearence fees are probably willing to pay higher than the market would pay such acts.

[GabrielG54]

man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by distance:
  when said thing comes up, you are already a multi-millionaire and probably have more money than you'll be able to spend unless you start buying up small islands and such.
 
 there just comes a point where a person that seems to be as 'for the little guy' (3rd world countries) as chris martin wants people to think that would be like "no.  our shows don't need to cost that much money."  doesn't that seem a bit reasonable?
 

That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
 oh like millionaire athletes?  nice.

people willingly spend billions of dollars on sports ... where should that money go?  the owners of teams?  give all the players a $100k salary? [/b]

lowering ticket prices, ass. thats what we're talking about.

[kosmo vinyl]

does EVERYBODY include Fugazi?  will Coldplay being making an appearence at Ft. Reno this summer?

[Bags]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
 Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.

No, I disagree...not all bands are going to command and get $70.  Look, bands DON'T sell out 9:30 Club all the time, at much lower prices.  And, sometimes, a band doesn't sell out because its prices are too high.
 
 If a band can sell out at a price, why not get it.
 
 Concerts are not a public good, I hate to say, and do not need to be offered at cost-based pricing, say.
 
   

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
 the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more.  but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.

Huh?  This just doesn't make sense (as in I don't know what you're trying to say, not that you're wrong)
 
 And to Hoya -- this "category of fans" thing makes no sense.  Point is, they have a LOT of fans.  Doesn't matter a toss if they're cool indie hipsters or Hootie-loving soccer moms.  Both groups are willing to pay to see this show.

[distance]

Originally posted by BookerT:
   

i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
 

i was just thinking about this ... i know it was posted here a while back, can someone post it again? sorry to take us off topic. wait, no i'm not. [/b]

best i could find:
 http://www.clearchannelcollegeentertainment.com/searchresults.php?searchtype=alpha&alpha=all

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by distance:
  godspeed you! black emperor could have charged way more than $12 for the last tour.  but they charged $12 for every show.  and the canadian shows were $12 CDN(which meant a GREAT deal for those of us coming from the US).  other bands set a price that they think is a reasonable amount for people to pay and don't try to milk their fanbase for every single possible cent that they can.

they could have charged $8-$13 more (possibly $18, but that's pushing it) ... it's this simple: fans of godspeed go to many shows, most of which are in the $10-$30 range ... fans of coldplay go to fewer shows, many of which are more than $40
 
 coldplay has determined that they'd rather cultivate these more casual fans rather than their hipper, more up-on-music fanbase ... many bands do it, and it's just the way it goes when you hit the mainstream

[ggw]

Originally posted by GabrielG54:
 people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
 
 call them greedy. call them businessmen. i dont care. i willingly paid 70 bucks. there are 20,000 other people in the area that will as well. big whoop.

Your point is valid only if the sole goal of the enterprise is to maximize its profit.
 
 One would assume -- given Mr. Martin's tirades against shareholders and other sundry anti-business, pro-art-for-the-masses statements -- that this is not their aim.
 
 then again, perhaps it is.....
 
 
 Starting your ticket prices at what you believe to be the scalpable level shows that you are more interested in hording profits than in reaching the younger and/or income-challenged fans; whom you have priced out of the show.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.

Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that...

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by GabrielG54:
  man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".

if i thought i was squeezing every last dollar out of my fans, just to make it to my have been called a socialist though, and i dont share all of your  capitalist values.  which is why I'm broke.  
 
  (that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that...

No, I'm not sarcastic. Distance is saying somehow the facts (a) Chris Martin is rich and (b) Chris Martin protests for third world debt relief factors into this, and I don't see how. Do rich people not get to continue making money? Where I'm from we fought a Cold War to stand up against that type of thinking. And how would third world nations be helped by Coldplay lowering ticket prices?

[kosmo vinyl]

if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me.  but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic. charging fans more money because some might be lost to ticket brokers is silly, that not market driven it's greedy.

[distance]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  [That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.

no.  they CAN charge waht they want and they are.
 and they CAN make more money and they will.
 
 they don't HAVE to double the price from last tour.  it's not like they're struggling to get by.  i'm just saying they're in a position where they COULD charge less money.
 
 they're making that choice.  i'm making the choice not to give them any of MY money.
 if other fools want to throw their money at chris martin, i know they're going to do so.

[Bags]

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  ok so 90% of the tickets bought endup in fans hands at $30 a pop, but because the other 10% might be brokered  at $100+. that "lose" of revenue to brokers  dictate the price of the ticket needs to be higher so the band makes more money on the 90% who would have been happy paying $30 to begin with?

Nope, that's not the market dynamic.  It has nothing to do with lost revenues, and all to do with overall market prices.  The prices aren't higher because scalpers make a bundle on some tickets, but because 90% of people are willing to pay $60.  If those people who'd be 'happy' paying $30 won't go higher than that, then Coldplay won't sell enough tickets at $60 to make it worth raising the price.
 
 The only role the scalpers play is in indicating how high demand is for the show overall.  But, again, when they get super high prices, those are only spikes from uber-fans, and don't translate into the overall general sale price at all.