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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2007, 05:24:00 pm »
You will also probably find that a lot of people are at UPenn because they didn't get into their first choice.  Don't misinterpret that -- it's a great school; but I think a lot of people end up there after not getting accepted at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc...

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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2007, 05:48:00 pm »
I actually chose my school because of that.  When I visited as a prospective student, I asked everyone why they chose that school.  Most answers were, "I didn't get in to Harvard, I didn't get in to Yale, I didn't get in to Brown..."  And I thought -- these are my people!! Smart, but not the hardasses whose one goal of high school was grinding away at everything they do in order to get into Harvard.  Okay, it was a generalization, but it served me well.    :)  
 
 
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  You will also probably find that a lot of people are at UPenn because they didn't get into their first choice.  Don't misinterpret that -- it's a great school; but I think a lot of people end up there after not getting accepted at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc...

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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2007, 05:56:00 pm »
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  I'm choosing between three universities in those three places to spend my next for years.
Just to be a pain...
 
 "I'm choosing among three universities...." Of course, they'll teach you that.   ;)

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2007, 05:59:00 pm »
You're going to get a good education from any of those places.
 
 Now, which place is going to help you grow as a person?  The one that doesn't have you going back home every other weekend to see the boyfriend you left behind or your parents to do your laundry and buy you stuff from Costco.
 
 That means go to Chicago and find out who you really are.  And if who you really are is making a decision based on which locale has the best music scene, I suggest you dig a little deeper to find out who you are.
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2007, 06:03:00 pm »
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  You will also probably find that a lot of people are at UPenn because they didn't get into their first choice.  Don't misinterpret that -- it's a great school; but I think a lot of people end up there after not getting accepted at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc...
That's why I'm going to be there if I end up there. . . Terrible thing to say, but it is very true.
 
 Right now I'm leaning towards Penn for a multitude of reasons. . I'm going up to see it on Friday and hopefully I'll like it. . .

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2007, 06:04:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Graace:
  I'm choosing between three universities in those three places to spend my next for years.
Just to be a pain...
 
 "I'm choosing among three universities...." Of course, they'll teach you that.    ;)  [/b]
Hahaha, I know, I know.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2007, 06:05:00 pm »
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  I'm going up to see it on Friday and hopefully I'll like it. . .
STAY OVERNIGHT at the schools you're really considering.  I would have chosen a different school had I not stayed over and gotten some time to hang out with the students and see what the campus culture was like.  And I think I would have been much less happy with my original choice.

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2007, 10:20:00 am »
Graace, a friend with almost college age kids sent me this from the NY Times.  Looks like you should be especially proud (and I am especially lucky that I was applying 20 years ago!).
 
 April 4, 2007
 A Great Year for Ivy League Colleges, but Not So Good for Applicants to Them
 
 By SAM DILLON
 
 Harvard turned down 1,100 student applicants with perfect 800 scores on the SAT math exam. Yale rejected several applicants with perfect 2400 scores on the three-part SAT, and Princeton turned away thousands of high school applicants with 4.0 grade point averages. Needless to say, high school valedictorians were a dime a dozen.
 
 It was the most selective spring in modern memory at America's elite schools, according to college admissions officers. More applications poured into top schools this admissions cycle than in any previous year on record. Schools have been sending decision letters to student applicants in recent days, and rejection letters have overwhelmingly outnumbered the acceptances.
 
 Stanford received a record 23,956 undergraduate applications for the fall term, accepting 2,456 students, meaning the school took 10.3 percent of applicants.
 
 Harvard College received applications from 22,955 students, another record, and accepted 2,058 of them, for an acceptance rate of 9 percent. The university called that ''the lowest admit rate in Harvard's history.''
 
 Applications to Columbia numbered 18,081, and the college accepted 1,618 of them, for what was certainly one of the lowest acceptance rates this spring at an American university: 8.9 percent.
 
 ''There's a sense of collective shock among parents at seeing extraordinarily talented kids getting rejected,'' said Susan Gzesh, whose son Max Rothstein is a senior with an exemplary record at the Laboratory School, a private school associated with the University of Chicago. Max applied to 12 top schools and was accepted outright only by Wesleyan, New York University and the University of Michigan.
 
 ''Some of his classmates, with better test scores than his, were rejected at every Ivy League school,'' Ms. Gzesh said.
 
 The brutally low acceptance rates this year were a result of an avalanche of applications to top schools, which college admissions officials attributed to three factors. First, a demographic bulge is working through the nation's population -- the children of the baby boomers are graduating from high school in record numbers. The federal Department of Education projects that 3.2 million students will graduate from high school this spring, compared with 3.1 million last year and 2.4 million in 1993. (The statistics project that the number of high school graduates will peak in 2008.) Another factor is that more high school students are enrolling in college immediately after high school. In the 1970s, less than half of all high school graduates went directly to college, compared with more than 60 percent today, said David Hawkins, a director at the National Association of College Admission Counseling.
 
 The third trend driving the frantic competition is that the average college applicant applies to many more colleges than in past decades. In the 1960s, fewer than 2 percent of college freshmen had applied to six or more colleges, whereas in 2006 more than 2 percent reported having applied to 11 or more, according to The American Freshman: National Norms for Fall 2006, an annual report on a continuing long-term study published by the University of California, Los Angeles.
 
 ''Multiple applications per student,'' Mr. Hawkins said, ''is a factor that exponentially crowds the college admissions environment.''
 
 One reason that students are filing more applications is the increasing use of the Common Application, a form that can be completed and filed via the Internet.
 
 The ferocious competition at the most selective schools has not affected the overall acceptance rate at the rest of the nation's 2,500 four-year colleges and universities, which accept an average of 70 percent of applicants.
 
 ''That overall 70 percent acceptance rate hasn't changed since the 1980s,'' Mr. Hawkins said.
 
 But with more and more students filling out ever more applications, schools like the California Institute of Technology received a record number of applications this year -- 3,595, or 8 percent more than last year -- and admitted 576 students. Among so many talented applicants, a prospective student with perfect SAT scores was not unusual, said Jill Perry, a Caltech spokeswoman.
 
 ''The successful students have to have shown some passion for science and technology in high school or their personal life,'' Ms. Perry said. ''That means creating a computer system for your high school, or taking a tractor apart and putting it back together.''
 
 The competition was ferocious not only at the top universities, but at selective small colleges, like Williams, Bowdoin and Amherst, all of which reported record numbers of applications.
 
 Amherst received 6,668 applications and accepted 1,167 students for its class of 2011, compared with the 4,491 applications and 1,030 acceptance letters it sent for the class of 2002 nine years ago, said Paul Statt, an Amherst spokesman.
 
 ''Many of us who went to Amherst three decades ago know we couldn't get in now; I know I couldn't,'' said Mr. Statt, who graduated from Amherst in 1978.

Re: Chicago, Charlottesville, Philly
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2007, 10:29:00 am »
I wonder how many more kids get perfect 800's on their SAT's after they dumbed them down back in the late 80's/early 90's? And as far as grades go? A "B" is the new "C".

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2007, 11:01:00 am »
Chicago is my favorite city besides Baltimore.

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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2007, 11:02:00 am »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  You will also probably find that a lot of people are at UPenn because they didn't get into their first choice.  Don't misinterpret that -- it's a great school; but I think a lot of people end up there after not getting accepted at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc...
the same can be said about any school other than Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (maybe Stanford, MIT and CalTech as well)
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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2007, 11:12:00 am »
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  And as far as grades go? A "B" is the new "C".
most top schools have a file on high schools (from kids who applied in the past from that school and just general knowledge) and understand their curve and the level of competitiveness at the high school ... and with class rank, grades don't really matter
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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2007, 06:22:00 pm »
Yes, but this is especially true of UPenn because it is a second-tier Ivy.  A top-notch midwestern school does not have the problem to the same degree.
 
 
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  You will also probably find that a lot of people are at UPenn because they didn't get into their first choice.  Don't misinterpret that -- it's a great school; but I think a lot of people end up there after not getting accepted at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc...
the same can be said about any school other than Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (maybe Stanford, MIT and CalTech as well) [/b]

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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2007, 06:26:00 pm »
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 ... and with class rank...
Class rank has been dropped by a lot of schools (including many in Fairfax County).  Presumably because it causes "trauma" on the poor children.

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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2007, 07:52:00 pm »
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 ... and with class rank...
Class rank has been dropped by a lot of schools (including many in Fairfax County).  Presumably because it causes "trauma" on the poor children. [/b]
Yeah, my high school (B-CC in Montgomery County, doesn't rank.  In fact, I think all of Montgomery County follows a top such and such percent of the class policy, rather than rankings.  I think it is a good thing.  Schools like B-CC and Whitman are already college obsessed, populated with crazy students and even crazier parents.  Right now, kids are trying to figure out who our valedictorian would be if we had one.  It's sick.