once again the jokes write themselves...

[azaghal1981]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  since i haven't seen it on here yet, i figure i'll link to this  article about obama trying to pressure iraq to delay agreeing to a troop withdrawal until the next administration.

Editorials and articles aren't exactly synnonymous, you know.
 
 
 And posting a NYP editorial is akin to posting a NYT editorial (the NYP tend to lie a wee bit more in weak attempts to support their opinions, though).

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  once again, obama shows he's a different type of politician, running a different type of campaign. . .errr. . . maybe

They have people like you to thank...
 
 Obama Raises Record $66 Million in a Month
 
 CHICAGO â?? Senator Barack Obama raised more money in August than any presidential candidate has ever recorded in a one-month period, with his campaign disclosing on Sunday that it collected $66 million and drew 500,000 first-time donors to his candidacy.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  My point was that the premise of the Op ed, notice it's not an article of news, which only cites one person with little quips from others, none of which are a full sentence, was that there were negotiations underway for troop withdrawl with the current administration, and that is a contention I don't believe to be true.
 
 Therefore, if there is no negotitation underway, why would the next President ask that no decision be made until the next administration?

Bush announced Tuesday that he plans to order 8,000 more combat
 and support troops out of Iraq by February..
 
 and,  no negotiations?    
 
 "I told Sen. Obama (that) Iraqi and American negotiations regarding this are ongoing, and today new Iraqi-American negotiations on this agreement have started with Iraqi written proposals and have a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," he said.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 "I told Sen. Obama (that) Iraqi and American negotiations regarding this are ongoing, and today new Iraqi-American negotiations on this agreement have started with Iraqi written proposals and have a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," he said.

Why did you leave this part out?
 
 

The Bush administration has opposed timetables for troop withdrawals. But al-Maliki and President Bush last week agreed to a "general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals" on troop cuts.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  Bush announced Tuesday that he plans to order 8,000 more combat
 and support troops out of Iraq by February..

And this part?
 
 

In a speech at the National Defense University, Bush said more
 troops may be withdrawn in the first half of 2009 if conditions
 improve.  But that decision will soon be up to his successor.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 "I told Sen. Obama (that) Iraqi and American negotiations regarding this are ongoing, and today new Iraqi-American negotiations on this agreement have started with Iraqi written proposals and have a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," he said.

Why did you leave this part out?
 
   

The Bush administration has opposed timetables for troop withdrawals. But al-Maliki and President Bush last week agreed to a "general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals" on troop cuts.

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there is no substantive difference between the two, at least with regards to negotiations, that's why they are called negotiations.
 
 i don't disagree that a lot of this is going to be left with the next administration, but to say that there haven't been any negotiations on troop withdrawal is simply wrong.  the NYP op-ed was very clearly referring to when obama was in iraq and negotiations on the future of u.s. troops in iraq were being discussed.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   but to say that there haven't been any negotiations on troop withdrawal is simply wrong.  

Would it make you feel better if I said "serious negotiations"?  "Aspirational goals" doesn't mean crap and you know it.
 
 8000 troops of a force of 146,000 is likely a number consistent with those that would not be able to serve a third term of duty.  I'm sure the rate of term retention is substanially more than the ~ 6% that is being discussed here.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   but to say that there haven't been any negotiations on troop withdrawal is simply wrong.  

Would it make you feel better if I said "serious negotiations"?  "Aspirational goals" doesn't mean crap and you know it.
 [/b]

oh, that makes me all warm and fuzzy. . .

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   oh, that makes me all warm and fuzzy. . .

That might be the most liberal thing I've heard you say...

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  since i haven't seen it on here yet, i figure i'll link to this  article about obama trying to pressure iraq to delay agreeing to a troop withdrawal until the next administration.

Venerable, I've been asked to tell you:
 
 ...that know who Amir Taheri isâ?¦and expect more from them than slander, innuendo and lies. expect NEWS!

[Venerable Bede]

Anyone wanna match the politician to the salaries?  Can choose between Biden, McCain and Obama.
 
 Senator A pays his 27 male staffers an average salary of $56K a year, but pays his 30 female staffers an average salary of $45K a year.
 
 Senator B pays his 15 male staffers an average salary of $85K a year, but pays his 25 female staffers an average salary of $56K a year.
 
 Senator C pays his 17 male staffers an average of $53K a year, but pays his 25 female staffers an average salary of $56K a year.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  since i haven't seen it on here yet, i figure i'll link to this  article about obama trying to pressure iraq to delay agreeing to a troop withdrawal until the next administration.

Venerable, I've been asked to tell you:
 
 ...that know who Amir Taheri isâ?¦and expect more from them than slander, innuendo and lies. expect NEWS! [/b]

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.
 
 Ok, so we are left, again, with nuances as to what is really being discussed.  so, obama told the iraqis not to do something, be it this stragetic framework agreement or negotiations for a withdrawal.  doesn't the framework agreement have to be based on some idea of a withdrawal?  i think both could be telling the truth, at least from their own perpsectives.  in any event, it still shows obama interfering with the ability of the current president to make progress on the future of u.s. involvement in iraq.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  once again, obama shows he's a different type of politician, running a different type of campaign. . .errr. . . maybe

They have people like you to thank...
 
 Obama Raises Record $66 Million in a Month
 
 CHICAGO â?? Senator Barack Obama raised more money in August than any presidential candidate has ever recorded in a one-month period, with his campaign disclosing on Sunday that it collected $66 million and drew 500,000 first-time donors to his candidacy. [/b]

yeah. . it's a great time to host a fundraiser at  $28.5K a plate.  who needs to worry about the  economy at that price.

[godsshoeshine]

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 i thought the fundementals of the economy were still good

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
 
 i thought the fundementals of the economy were still good

that's the point.