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Seth Hurwitz

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Re: no lolla..
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2004, 06:22:00 am »
when the show was announced, there were threads blasting it
 
 now that it's cancelled, there are threads complaining about that
 
 sounds like a bunch of unhappy people to me

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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2004, 09:23:00 am »
The only thing I'm really unhappy about is the Ticketbastard giving a "refund" but not giving me back the $3.50 per ticket, plus the $4.00 handling fee. What is hilarious is that I got a call from them last night at home, essentially thanking me for letting them rob me. Fuckers. And to top it off, I used Ticketfast this time so it's not like it cost them anything to print the ticket and send it to me. Whatever. I was really looking forward to this, but shows get cancelled. Shit happens. I would rather have this get cancelled than the Pixies tour, which I am going to see as much as possible later this year.

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« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2004, 09:30:00 am »
Lollapalooza Canceled; Alt-Rock Tour Organizers Cite 'Unhappy People'
 Local Promoter Suggests 'Shrek 2' as Alternative
 
 By David Segal
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Wednesday, June 23, 2004; Page C01
 
 
 Plagued with lousy ticket sales, this year's Lollapalooza tour was canceled yesterday, unplugging the best-known alternative rock festival in the country.
 
 Organizers of the show, which originally came to life in 1991, said they would have lost millions if the tour went ahead as scheduled. Headliners were to include Morrissey, the Flaming Lips, the String Cheese Incident and the Pixies, with the bands performing over the course of two days. The tour was to kick off July 14 in Auburn, Wash., and more than 30 shows in 16 cities -- including a local stop at Merriweather Post Pavilion on Aug. 12 and 13 -- were slated.
 
 "I'm in utter disbelief that a concert of this stature, with the most exciting lineup I've seen in years, did not galvanize ticket sales," said Mark Geiger, co-founder of the tour, in a press release. "I'm surprised, given the great bands and the reduced ticket prices, that we didn't have enough sales to sustain the tour."
 
 One-day tickets for lawn seats were priced as low as $15, before assorted add-ons and service fees. At the upper end, a two-day ticket for reserved seats at the Denver show, for instance, ran for $80.
 
 Other tours have struggled to fill seats, among them Ozzfest and reunion tours by Fleetwood Mac, the Cure and the Dead. But every summer there are stragglers, and every summer at least a few promoters will declare this summer the worst in memory. Plenty of artists, as it happens, have been selling out venues by the dozens, among them Prince, Madonna and double bills, like the one featuring No Doubt and Blink-182.
 
 Lollapalooza's troubles might have more to do with musical trends than the health of the concert industry, says promoter Seth Hurwitz, who had booked the now-canceled show at Merriweather.
 
 "It's genuinely an alternative-music problem," Hurwitz says. "The audience for true alternative rock just isn't that big anymore. Lollapalooza was big in the early '90s, when the scene was exploding, when you had bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana, and it was something new and truly alternative. Now you turn on the TV and everyone is pierced. I saw 'Shrek 2' the other day, and there's scene in it where one of the characters crowd-surfs."
 
 Also, multi-act shows are tough sells these days, Hurwitz added, because fans know they'll get a truncated set by their favorite performer. Morrissey, the former lead singer of the Smiths, who has just released his first solo album in several years, packed a bunch of mid-size auditoriums in a recent solo tour. But those fans might be unwilling to commit to a day at Lollapalooza, which can seem a little grueling by the time the marquee names hit the stage.
 
 Yesterday's cancellation ends what had been a modestly successful comeback for Lollapalooza, which had been retired for six years before returning to the road in 2003. Some of last year's shows were canceled, but there were many successes, and tellingly, the lineup was more heavily weighted toward acts that were selling millions of albums -- like Audioslave, the closer -- than bands considered alternative.
 
 There weren't a lot of platinum-status acts on the bill this time around. Groups with avid but relatively small followings, like Le Tigre, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Modest Mouse and Wilco, were the heart of the production. Had it happened, the concert would have hewed closer to the original, out-of-the-mainstream spirit of Lollapalooza. But that spirit, apparently, isn't what it used to be.
 
 
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62545-2004Jun22.html

ratioci nation

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« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2004, 09:41:00 am »
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
  when the show was announced, there were threads blasting it
 
 now that it's cancelled, there are threads complaining about that
 
 sounds like a bunch of unhappy people to me
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006467;p=1
 
 looks like the people you would expect to complain were complaining when it was announced (except for sonick who is complaining on both threads   :D  )
 
 we had tickets and wanted to go to the show, why shouldn't we be unhappy it was cancelled, eh?

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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2004, 09:54:00 am »
Seth Hurwitz, our hero, hit a really good point.  I would go to just about any club or mid-size venue to see a Morrissey show, but not necessarily an all-day music fest.  It's just too much, and I see too many great club shows to be dazzled by short, outdoor sets.  Hmmm... Yet I'm going to Curiosa.  I think that's because I'm not all that in to the Cure, and have an interest in catching the other bands but I see it as kind of a hanging out night (and, I had several friends who jumped on Curiosa, while no one I know did on Lollapalooza -- the Lolla bands are those I know we'd see in a club at some point, so I was waiting to see if anyone wanted to go last minute and if I could take a day off from work at that point.)
 
 And, maybe if the Pixies had been on every bill....
 
 From the NYTimes article:
 
 Mr. Geiger said ticket sales had been uneven around the country, with relatively strong sales for the Aug. 16 and 17 concerts at Randalls Island in New York, where the Pixies were to make one of their only two appearances on the tour.
 
 But in many markets, the concerts were said to have sales not much higher than one of the headlining acts might have drawn on its own.

 
 And Seth in the Times article:
 Seth Hurwitz, an independent promoter in Washington who booked Lollapalooza into the Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, Md., said that there was waning interest in aging alternative rock acts like the ones on the Lollapalooza tour.
 
 "How well is Morrissey going to do in the Midwest?" he said. "I wouldn't venture to guess. The problem is that there is just not a really large interest in alternative music. What was called alternative in the 90's was exploding with something new, with Pearl Jam and Nirvana. It was exciting stuff."
 
 Mr. Hurwitz said many of his concerts, including those by younger acts like Evanescence and Three Doors Down, were selling well.
 
 "They tried to pull together Morrissey and Sonic Youth," he said, on an alternative bill. "But there are not enough people who care about it."

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« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2004, 09:59:00 am »

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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2004, 10:50:00 am »
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
  when the show was announced, there were threads blasting it
 
 now that it's cancelled, there are threads complaining about that
 
 sounds like a bunch of unhappy people to me
Thats the funny thing about this board Seth, everyone's so hypocrital.

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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2004, 10:52:00 am »
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  Thats the funny thing about this board Seth, everyone's so hypocrital.
care to give some examples

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« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2004, 10:55:00 am »
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   the Lolla bands are those I know we'd see in a club at some point
"at some point" being within the last 6 months or so.  The Walkmen, Broken Social Scene, The Thrills, TV On The Radio, Le Tigre, and probably some of the others have played in tiny clubs around here very recently. As great a bill as this looks on paper, there's no sense of urgency to see most of these bands, as they just rolled through town not too long ago.
 
 Great lineups - not so great timing.

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« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2004, 10:58:00 am »
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
  Thats the funny thing about this board Seth, everyone's so hypocrital.
care to give some examples [/b]
Unlike you, I don't have the time to memorize every word that everyone types on here. So no my friend (and I use that word loosely) I don't have examples. But read most of the posts and I'm sure you can find something by everyone (Including myself for I am sure I've contradicted myself one or two times).

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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2004, 11:06:00 am »
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
   Unlike you, I don't have the time to memorize every word that everyone types on here. So no my friend (and I use that word loosely) I don't have examples. But read most of the posts and I'm sure you can find something by everyone (Including myself for I am sure I've contradicted myself one or two times).
I don't think it is the time you are lacking
 
 just try and remember that each of those names next to a post means it is another person like you sitting at a computer, wasting our time, and we don't all meet to decide what we are going to say on the board, we did not all complain when Lollapalooza was annouced, we did not all complain when it was cancelled
 
 you can try and use this new knowledge in your politics as well, for instance, not everybody who disagrees with the president or the war hates America, we are not out to take your freedom or your liberty

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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2004, 11:09:00 am »
Well I am glad I had bought my tickets.
 
  I am glad it wasnt the couple of tickets I didnt buy that caused the shows to be cancelled.
 
 I am also glad that now I dont have to see sonic youth or Morrissey or hear the new Gomez album, live.
 
 
 I am glad I dont have to take a couple of days of work.
 
 
 Is that all sounding more positive?

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« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2004, 11:23:00 am »
First of all....who taught flawd how to post pics?   :D

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« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2004, 11:28:00 am »
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
  Well I am glad I had bought my tickets.
 
  I am glad it wasnt the couple of tickets I didnt buy that caused the shows to be cancelled.
 
 I am also glad that now I dont have to see sonic youth or Morrissey or hear the new Gomez album, live.
 
 
 I am glad I dont have to take a couple of days of work.
 
 
 Is that all sounding more positive?
I thought you hated Moz?

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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2004, 11:28:00 am »
Have I shared with my fellow boardies the Modest Mouse curse?
 
 Here's how it goes:  I'm destined to NEVER see Modest Mouse.
 
 I had tix for the nYC show earlier this year, but was too sleepy to do the one night drive, and sold 'em under the assumption they'd play DC.  Which they didn't do, opting for a crappy Florida tour instead.
 
 Then they played HFS, which is a definite NO to me, plus, I thought I'd see them at Lolla.
 
 Then they cancelled Lolla.
 
 I'd buy tickets for Austin City Limits, but hell, with my track record, it just ain't happening.