Fahrenheit 9/11

[redsock]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Like Skeeter said...
 
 I find it hard to believe that the Iraqi people were all so happy under the Saddam regime, as depicted by Moore. That wasn't really an accurate protrayal.
 
 
   

Originally posted by redsock:
     

Originally posted by manimtired:
  you went and saw a movie that has a complete bias thats not based on facts...and that changed your mind. wonderful.

Could you please talk about one or two facts that were invalid? I'm curious to hear them, in a non-partisan way. [/b]

[/b]

Except that's hardly a fact. He showed us a lot of burned out houses in Flint, doesn't mean every house looks like that. Obviously those images were not telling the whole story, but anyone with enough intellgience to want to see this movie should be understanding of that. I'm assuming our republican comrade has some real information to disprove some of the facts Moore presented us with. As in No, the Saudis were not allowed to fly out of the country while everyone else was frozen, and here's some facts to back it up....

[redsock]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  i havent seen the movie but from what ive heard on the news and in the papers...
 moore claimes:
 bush gave the orders to allow for members of bin ladens family and other saudies to leave the country after 9/11 when planes werent allowed to fly..
 his body weight on the promo poster...

No, Moore has a member of congress, I think, saying that the order to have those people flown out had to come from someone very high up in the administration. He never said it was Bush.

[manimtired]

but didnt the saudies haul ass after the plane freeze was over...the 14th i believe.

[redsock]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  but didnt the saudies haul ass after the plane freeze was over...the 14th i believe.

There were flight listings that show flights on the 13th from Kennedy to Saudi Arabia. Now, no way of me verifying what he was showing on camera was true, but has anyone from the administration actually come out and said those are false? And no, Fox News doesn't count...

[manimtired]

i actually heard it disclaimed on MSNBC...but that might be too right wing as well.

[Celeste]

Acutally, the Saudis flew out on 9/13, I think...and air travel HAD resumed for most folks by then. This is a fact clarified in a USA Today article, even by Moore's co-producer. They admitted the facts were blurred a bit here. This, to me, is not the issue, though, that they were allowed to fly before other people, but that they were allowed to fly AT ALL without being questioned by the FBI.
 
 The Bush family's ties to Saudis and oil interests and the fact that dumb, desperate working class people are actively recruited for the military are the most compelling things in the film that I saw, and those ARE facts.

[redsock]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  i actually heard it disclaimed on MSNBC...but that might be too right wing as well.

Might be. What did they say about it?

[Random Citizen]

Riiight, because the media isn't biased at all. But that's free, so you accept it, right?
 
 

Originally posted by manimtired:
  i havent seen the movie but from what ive heard on the news and in the papers...
 

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

You want to get into the music business? Join the Marines. You've heard of Shaggy, right? Shaggy was a US Marine.

[manimtired]

there is a definate bias both ways....
 but the comparison that the news is as biased as moore is a stretch.

[Random Citizen]

Even better..."Let me just get your name and information so I can cross you off my list noting that I've already talked to you."
 
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  You want to get into the music business? Join the Marines. You've heard of Shaggy, right? Shaggy was a US Marine.

[mankie]

Look....nobody needs a movie to realize what a war mongering, lying, misleading stupid moron who's surrounded himself with big business, money grabbing at the cost of innocent lives fuckheads Bush is?

[jkeisenh]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  there is a definate bias both ways....
 but the comparison that the news is as biased as moore is a stretch.

You know what's really biased?  Someone who takes a position on a film without seeing it and weighing the facts... and then goes so far as to try to debate its merits and validity.

[manimtired]

i dont think i need to see the film to know its a biased film which stretches the truth. sorry.

[nkotb]

This reminds me of the time that a friend of a friend of mine walked out of "Dogma."  To this day, she says that she was completely "open-minded" about the film.  There is a lot in this world that I'm fairly biased about, but at least give something a chance.  No harm in that, is there?  Sure you might line his pockets some, but at least then your criticism doesn't sound so desperate and simple-minded.  Hell, all this and I don't even like Moore.
 
 

Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
   

Originally posted by manimtired:
  there is a definate bias both ways....
 but the comparison that the news is as biased as moore is a stretch.

You know what's really biased?  Someone who takes a position on a film without seeing it and weighing the facts... and then goes so far as to try to debate its merits and validity. [/b]