Greenpeace

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Yes, but what would Descartes say about DBT? Great rock band, or bloated rednecks?
 
 

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by redsock:
  I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.

not necessarily true. . st. augustine argued that animals did have souls. . however, descartes disagreed.  augustine argued that since humans have similar characteristics as humans, animals must also possess a soul.  the difference between humans and animals only being the ability for humans to be self-conscious and have free choice.  furthermore, he argued that people are morally responsible in the way one treats an animal and act humanely.  
 
 however, descartes argued that animals could not think or act like humans (real), but are more like clocks and clockwork (unreal); ergo, could not have a soul.  since we are still stuck in a cartesian system, this has obviously been the prevalent mode of thought since. [/b]

[markie]

Bede,
 
 Your sum that up nicely.  I did always think it would really suck to eat an animal that had a soul. I mean imagine the embarassment in heaven if you walked by daisy the cow and she mooed "you ate me, 2 burgers and a pair of shoes".
 
 Rhett, sorry about the cheap jibe, you left yourself wide open.....
 
 
 I dont understand how and why anyone could believe in heaven and hell. The plot of Matrix2 is more feasible to me.

[G.Love]

Wow VB,
 That is some heavy stuff. So what about animals coveting their neighbors wife and killing?
 isn't there some Catholic saint that on his saint day you can take your pet to church and have it blessed?

[G.Love]

Originally posted by Andrew WK:
  So heaven is a gay nightclub?

Boom, boom, boom let's go back to my room.
 So we can do it all night and I can make you feel right......
 
 or
 
 you spin me right round, like a record baby.
 Round round....
 
 I must have been in heaven at Tracks, back in the 80's!!!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I would have had an easier time believing in heaven and hell than if you had told me two airplanes were going to take out both of the World Trade Center buildings...

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by G.Love:
  Wow VB,
 That is some heavy stuff. So what about animals coveting their neighbors wife and killing?
 isn't there some Catholic saint that on his saint day you can take your pet to church and have it blessed?

an animal could not do that, because that would be a self-conscious recognition. . which is something that, according to st. augustine, animals do not have the capacity for.
 
 btw, i believe regarding you last point, that would be st. francis.  he preached to the animals 1) to save them and 2) because no one else wanted to listen to him (at first).

[redsock]

Originally posted by Andrew WK:
 
 I dont understand how and why anyone could believe in heaven and hell. The plot of Matrix2 is more feasible to me.

Maybe cause the alternatives are all pretty shitty. Easier to swallow that way. Religion is simply a catering to the fears of the masses anyway. Who really knows? Other than Jesus of course.

[markie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I would have had an easier time believing in heaven and hell than if you had told me two airplanes were going to take out both of the World Trade Center buildings...

Probably because you have heard of the terms heaven and hell since a child and as such they are familiar to you. You didnt start reading Tom Clancy till much older so the idea of a plane as a missile is not so engrained.

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Guiny:
  There's a few Greenpeace twats in yellow shirts near Farrogot (sp) West looking for new members if people feel like slapping the shit out of someone. I did.    :cool:  

jesus! you live here and you can't even spell "Farragut"! my god!

[markie]

Originally posted by redsock:
  Maybe cause the alternatives are all pretty shitty. Easier to swallow that way. Religion is simply a catering to the fears of the masses anyway. Who really knows? Other than Jesus of course.

Whats wrong with having a good time then dying and that being it, well apart from passing on your genetic material?
 
 Sounds like life to me.
 
 Sure you cant prove heaven exists or not. But to have such unquestionable faith that it does exist is a little unnerving to me.

[markie]

42

[keithstg]

Originally posted by Andrew WK:
  42

Excellent, excellent reference.

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Andrew WK:
  42

overused reference on this board

[mankie]

Originally posted by Andrew WK:
  42

Level

[markie]

sorry, I just clicked back too often and got an annoying duplicate post.
 
 you can never get enough Douglas Adams.
 
 and as for Level 42, stupid name for a crap band.