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Shadrach

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2006, 06:33:00 pm »
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  I think the week 3 INT to start the 4th quarter against Minnesota would qualify as a meltdown, returned 7 yards for a TD.  Just ugly.
 
 Fortunately for him, the defense got the ball back (or Brad Johnson gave the ball back to Chicago as it were), and Grossman only had to go 37 yards to take the lead.  They couldn't sustain any drives in that game, relying on a short TD off a TO and 3 field goals.  They really should have lost that game 13-9, with Grossman providing Minnesota it's only TD.
Being a bit harsh aren't you? I mean is it a meltdown every time a QB throws a pick and it gets returned for a TD? I think as long as you do what it takes to secure the win or at least your part, you can avoid the "meltdown" tag.
 
 I'm not saying that Grossman is the second coming of Joe Montana, but he's looked very solid so far this season. He's going to make mistakes, but he's young and inexperienced. In games that Grossman has played in Chicago is 9-3, that's pretty respectable for a QB with less than one full season's experience under his belt.

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2006, 07:34:00 pm »
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  Being a bit harsh aren't you? I mean is it a meltdown every time a QB throws a pick and it gets returned for a TD? I think as long as you do what it takes to secure the win or at least your part, you can avoid the "meltdown" tag.
I freely admit to being harsh.  But did you see the week 3 int in the first pressure situation he was in?
 
 Even before he got hurt in his previous NFL starts, his ratings were terrible.  But what has he really done this season?    
 
 He put up good numbers at home against two of the weakest D's in the league (Detroit and Green Bay), struggled mightily and nearly threw the game away on the road against the only top 10 defense he faced (Minny), and won a primetime night game at home (huge advantage!) against a good NFC team playing without one of the best running backs in the league.  And people are lauding his accomplishments because his team is 4-0.  
 
 His team is 4-0 because the defense is the best in the league.  The offense is the same - Mushin Muhammad is 33 years old (!) and he's the #1 receiver - and Berrian has come out of nowhere to be a serviceable #2.  How long do you think that's going to last?  I say one more week before teams adjust.  Desmond Clark had better stay healthy - Justin Gage and 4 guys with in their first or second year is the rest of the passing game.  Jones is averaging 69 yards a game because the playbook reads just like I laid it out - let the passing game beat you.  But the truth is, the kicking game has been carrying the Bears, not Rex.  Robbie Gould leads the league in scoring.  When the defense is that good and the kicker leads the league in scoring that's the sign of a bad offense.  Defense controls the field position for the kicking game.
 
 The Bears have a really nice schedule, will go 2-2 against their AFC opponents exposing Rex, and cruise into the playoffs.  They will then be blown out in the playoffs.  And the Bears faithful will blame Rex, if he's still healthy then.
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Venerable Bede

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2006, 07:40:00 pm »
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  Justin Gage  
as my wife is wont to say- Justin Gage from....Missouri.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2006, 08:19:00 pm »
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 Justin Gage from....Missouri.
i loved watching him play basketball, its hard to remember there was a time when Missouri basketball was worth watching, maybe this year will at least be entertaining

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2006, 08:24:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 Justin Gage from....Missouri.
i loved watching him play basketball, its hard to remember there was a time when Missouri basketball was worth watching, maybe this year will at least be entertaining [/b]
well, we've been treating vansmack to a good helping of mizzou football this year. . .wife and i are gonna be at the colorado/baylor game in boulder this weekend, so smackie gets a break from watching another televised mizzou game on saturday night against tech.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2006, 08:55:00 pm »
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  well, we've been treating vansmack to a good helping of mizzou football this year. . .wife and i are gonna be at the colorado/baylor game in boulder this weekend, so smackie gets a break from watching another televised mizzou game on saturday night against tech.
tech would be a huge win, i would finally start taking them seriously if they get a win there, although the lack of an early season let down this year has made me get my hopes up already
 
 colorado/baylor? ouch

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2006, 10:32:00 pm »
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 colorado/baylor? ouch
well, i went to baylor and wife's sister goes to colorado. . .it's colorado homecoming, and a baylor win would be really fun (not to mention my school and my wife's school both would have beaten colorado).
 
 the big 12 is just getting worse and worse, every year.  i just hope 1) that baylor sometime in my lifetime makes a bowl game, and 2) for my wife's sake, that mizzou doesn't turn into minnesota, scheduling cupcake out of conference games then getting killed in conference play.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2006, 12:00:00 am »
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
  Being a bit harsh aren't you? I mean is it a meltdown every time a QB throws a pick and it gets returned for a TD? I think as long as you do what it takes to secure the win or at least your part, you can avoid the "meltdown" tag.
I.  But the truth is, the kicking game has been carrying the Bears, not Rex.  Robbie Gould leads the league in scoring.  When the defense is that good and the kicker leads the league in scoring that's the sign of a bad offense.  Defense controls the field position for the kicking game.
 
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Gould is actually tied with Wilkins for the scoring lead, only Gould has kicked 6 more extra points than Wilkins. This means that the Chicago offense is scoring more TD's.
 
 Oh and by the way Rex Grossman was just named NFC offensive player of the month.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2006, 08:58:00 am »
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and won a primetime night game at home (huge advantage!) against a good NFC team playing without one of the best running backs in the league.  And people are lauding his accomplishments because his team is 4-0.  
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Last time I checked, Shaun Alexander did not play cornerback or rushed the quarterback, so having him in the game would not effect his performance.

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2006, 09:02:00 am »
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  "Won't you join me for some fine dining?  And then afterwards, darling, we can retire to the presidential suite for a little game of touch football...hehe if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge."

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2006, 11:29:00 am »
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  Gould is actually tied with Wilkins for the scoring lead, only Gould has kicked 6 more extra points than Wilkins. This means that the Chicago offense is scoring more TD's.
 
Great, they're out scoring the Rams in a rebuilding year post Mike Martz.  Now I'm convinced the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl.  And BTW, the Rams are the worst team in the NFC in the Red Zone - just ask every Steven Jackson owner in fantasy.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2006, 11:35:00 am »
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  Last time I checked, Shaun Alexander did not play cornerback or rushed the quarterback, so having him in the game would not effect his performance.
Really?  Ever tried to control the clock or field position without a running game?  
 
 Seattle had three drives of over 20 yards the entire game, every other time it was no more than 5 plays.  And not once did Seattle start a drive beyond their own 40.  If that doesn't tire out your defense, I don't know what does.
 
 The turning point of that game was the defense giving the Bears great field position in the second quarter for three consecutive drives - all starting inside the Seattle 40 after two INTs and a fumble.  And all within 5 minutes.
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Shadrach

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2006, 11:43:00 am »
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  Gould is actually tied with Wilkins for the scoring lead, only Gould has kicked 6 more extra points than Wilkins. This means that the Chicago offense is scoring more TD's.
 
Great, they're out scoring the Rams in a rebuilding year post Mike Martz.  Now I'm convinced the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl.  And BTW, the Rams are the worst team in the NFC in the Red Zone - just ask every Steven Jackson owner in fantasy. [/b]
Well I am a Jackson owner and my fantasy team is currently 3-1. Of course I'm heavily invested in St. Louis since I have Jackson, Wilkins and Bulger. Last week those three won that game for me.
 
 If you're in a TD heavy league then Jackson hasn't been great, although he did get his first TD last week and plays Green Bay this week. He does have a boat load of yards though and I think the TD's will keep coming as that offense becomes more comfortable under their new head coach.

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2006, 12:10:00 pm »
I'm on page 688 of the Al Saunders offensive playbook...12 more pages of 5 wide-receivers formation and I'll be able to predict Super Bowl appearance fer the SKINSsssssssssss

vansmack

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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2006, 12:11:00 pm »
I admit to being a Bulger owner.
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