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[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
  no genius, i was disagreeing with the part about them not having strategy.    
 

you stupid cunt ... all i said was that hockey, rugby, and soccer have less strategy than american football ... can you prove me wrong there?
 
 every football play on both the offensive and defensive side are intricately designed -- there's a reason why football is very often compared to war ... every play is 8 seconds or so, but they have to line back up and restart everything for the next little burst of 8 seconds ... obviously some of you find this boring, but it has a point, the game is incredibly detailed ... and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
 
 now ... fun to watch?  that's a different thing entirely ... i'd take a hockey game live over a football game any day ... but with football on TV, especially when i'm watching my team, i rewind nearly every play to see how it developed and who screwed what assignment up, nothing like hockey, soccer or rugby

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  you stupid cunt ... all i said was that hockey, rugby, and soccer have less strategy than american football ... can you prove me wrong there?
 

why should i have to prove you wrong??? you made a completely ridiculous comment. you have no idea how complicated hockey or rugby (or probably soccer for that matter) are.  
 
   i dont have my head up my ass, so i shouldn't need to prove anything.
 
   why dont you prove your own statement. instead of telling us that its "intricate" and "complicated"   why dont you tell us how hockey or rugby is not.  
 
   i bet you cant.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
 

it doesnt seem so clear to me so why dont you elaborate.  you would you like to stick to being vague.
 
   so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?  
 
  they dont have set plays and strategies, matchups, designed offenses and defenses?  or are you just to stupid to recognize them cause they are constantly changing so you say there is none?

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
  so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?  
 

Yes, and my point is, the hockey (or basketball, or rugby, or etc) players do this for long periods at a time, without stopping every few seconds to discuss the next 8 seconds of action. Football may have great strategy but I give the players very little credit when every 8 seconds of action is precluded by 30 seconds of instruction.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
   

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
 

it doesnt seem so clear to me so why dont you elaborate.  you would you like to stick to being vague.
 
   so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?  
 
  they dont have set plays and strategies, matchups, designed offenses and defenses?  or are you just to stupid to recognize them cause they are constantly changing so you say there is none? [/b]

will do.
 
 of COURSE hockey, rugby, and soccer all are incredibly intricate sports with tons of strategy involved ... i don't want to go into a dissertation on the new jersey trap, but it's obvious to any sports fan that there are plenty of designed plays and matchups and line changes and everything else ... any professional sport has tons of strategy involved
 
 that said, football just has more of it ...  like i was saying before, every play is only 5-8 seconds, yet they spend another 40 seconds setting up their strategy (like the right guard will cut the under tackle or block his left shoulder, to name two of dozens of options that one guy has on each play) for that one burst of energy ... hockey, soccer, and rugby (i really just arbitrarily picked those sports, you could throw basketball and others in there as well) are free flowing games where you don't get a stoppage of play to set up strategy, there is much more freelancing and there are more "general" concepts and strategies, sure they set up individual plays, but they're nothing compared to the intricacies (have i used that word enough?) involved in a single football play
 
 sorry, you're just wrong on this one

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  that said, football just has more of it ...  like i was saying before, every play is only 5-8 seconds, yet they spend another 40 seconds setting up their strategy

How does this help your point? How? "OK, let's all get on the same page. Here's what we're going to do!" It's the ultimate dumbing down. In basketball or hockey you have to - gasp! - be so in sync you know what your teammates are going to do without planning it 4 seconds before.
 
 Your argument is basically, football players are smart because they play a sport that they're too stupid to play without discussing every move in minute detail. Ok then, chief.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  How does this help your point? How? "OK, let's all get on the same page. Here's what we're going to do!" It's the ultimate dumbing down. In basketball or hockey you have to - gasp! - be so in sync you know what your teammates are going to do without planning it 4 seconds before.
 
 Your argument is basically, football players are smart because they play a sport that they're too stupid to play without discussing every move in minute detail. Ok then, chief.

either you just completely contradicted yourself, or we're on different pages entirely ... because by calling one play (you should hear gruden call one of his, it sounds like gibberish) they discuss every move by all 11 players in minute detail it is more strategic than other sports, that's the only point i'm making

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
 
 
 sorry, you're just wrong on this one

my point is that there is no right or wrong on this one you asshole. they all have strategies, and they are all very intricate at the pro level. its apples and oranges.  saying one has more, is just false.
 
  so you my friend, are just wrong.  and you're a prick so thats two strikes.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   they discuss every move by all 11 players in minute detail it is more strategic than other sports, that's the only point i'm making

so since there are more players its more strategic?   you have no logic.  perhaps you should stick to writing about music in the free newspapers.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   i don't want to go into a dissertation on the new jersey trap
 

just admit you dont know shit about hockey. go ahead. i wont make fun of you.

[sonickteam2]

and lets not gloss over the fact that hockey players have to learn how to ice skate. i'd like to see Warren Sapp in a pair of ice skates!

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
 so since there are more players its more strategic?

you got it buddy, that was my entire argument ... your powers of reading comprehension astound me

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
 my point is that there is no right or wrong on this one you asshole. they all have strategies, and they are all very intricate at the pro level. its apples and oranges.  saying one has more, is just false.
 
  so you my friend, are just wrong.  and you're a prick so thats two strikes.

"strategy" can be quantified, it is commonly defined as: "1: an elaborate and systematic plan of action"
 
 there are an average of 125 "plays" in each football game, so 250 plays called including offense and defense on each play ... each of those plays involve more "strategy" (which, if you understand the definition, is quantifiable) than every other sport

[sonickteam2]

you still think you have a valid point here?
 seriously.  come on , stop messin with us!
 
 how can you compare two or more things when you clearly know nothing about one or more of them?

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  there are an average of 125 "plays" in each football game, so 250 plays called including offense and defense on each play ... each of those plays involve more "strategy" (which, if you understand the definition, is quantifiable) than every other sport

We're not just going to let you frame the issue anyway you want. Consider it this way: for every 8 seconds of action in football, there's ~32 seconds of inactivity, therefore, by that ratio, in a one hour contest, there's 12 minutes of actual preformance/decision making. By contrast, hockey players have to do a full 60 minutes of decision making/decision carrying-out, and on the fly no less. So clearly, quantifiably, there's more strategy, just by pure numbers, in hockey.