Author Topic: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti  (Read 11660 times)

Jaguär

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2003, 11:22:00 am »
One thing that I've learned about most schools and churches, they are some of the biggest money grabbers, in the name of (education/faith), out there! Doesn't matter whether they are public, private, State owned, whatever. They ALL want the money! Most of their policies are money driven and not what they claim to be. At least, professional teams are honest enough to admit it. Professional teams are about the business of sports. Colleges use sports to suck in loads of money in the name of education.

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2003, 11:28:00 am »
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  DAMNIT!!! haha, wasnt Va Tech in the Atlantic 10 at one point in time?  please tell me i am not a complete ninny.
I dunno, but it was really funny when you said that, cause for a second, I thought I might have been wrong.  
 
 And mankie, you're right about merchandise.  There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students  . . . who will go on to be very rich.
 
 But way off with the other comment.  Think about the staff needed to maintain a college football team, coaches, recruiters, groundskeepers.  Not to mention greasing of palms both on and off the record.  And a bad year can do very nasty things to your finances if doners don't pony up.  If a team keeps winning it can stay in the black, if it doesn't than things can turn sour very quickly.

Mongo

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2003, 11:33:00 am »
So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself?  Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues.  It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2003, 11:36:00 am »
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Originally posted by mjnova:
  And mankie, you're right about merchandise.  There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students  . . . who will go on to be very rich.
 
 
Right.  The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
 
 It's us less physically gifted but smart kids that being exploited.  
 
 It's not easy being male middle class and white these days.
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vansmack

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2003, 11:38:00 am »
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  DAMNIT!!! haha, wasnt Va Tech in the Atlantic 10 at one point in time?  please tell me i am not a complete ninny.
At least in this respect your not.  V Tech was in the A10 for some sports (and still might be in smalled sports) as recently as 2000.
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mankie

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2003, 11:40:00 am »
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 Right.  The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
 IT'S NOT A FREE EDUCATION, IT'S A FREE CERTIFICATE. HOW MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY GET "EDUCATED", AS IN GO TO CLASS?
 
 
 It's not easy being male middle class and white these days.
 I HEAR YER BRO'''IT'S OLD BLACKY KEEPING US DOWN AGAIN.
 
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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2003, 11:42:00 am »
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Originally posted by mjnova:
  And mankie, you're right about merchandise.  There are certainly jerseys with players names on them, which would consitute expoiting poor college students  . . . who will go on to be very rich.
 
 
Right.  The student-athletes get a free education and they're the ones getting exploited.
 
 It's us less physically gifted but smart kids that being exploited.  
 
 It's not easy being male middle class and white these days. [/b]
Cry me a fucking river.  Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about.  Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.
 
 The problem though is when a college's rep is tied to sports.  Maryland was "riot-school" which stemmed from the stupidity of students related to sports.  Although the riots were pretty fun the first one or two times.  And the recent coach firings show that colleges will do anything to cover their asses.

Jaguär

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2003, 11:42:00 am »
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Originally posted by Mongo:
  So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself?  Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues.  It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.
When that is the case, it's one thing. I've known of a few cases, and not even at the college level, where there where lots of personal kick-backs and pay-offs at the expense of all others, especially of those whom they were supposed to be working for. A lot of it had nothing to do with sports either. I just know though that this sort of thing is more sports oriented in a college. It's more book companies and such at a lower level. Yes, it's illegal, but they still do it all the time.
 
 Anyway, too many schools will exploit sports and their players and pretend that they are offering such and 'education' when they are more concerned with how much money the teams are bringing in. Like any business, I know they need money but there is such a thing as honesty and business ethics.

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2003, 11:46:00 am »
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Originally posted by Mongo:
  So is there something wrong with a school, or any organization for that matter, that has aspirations to expand and better itself?  Its not as if the college presidents are stuffing their pockets with TV revenues.  It's my understanding that the money generated from sports goes back into the school and into the athletic facilities.
I didn't say it was wrong.  As a matter of fact, it's the only chance the East as to compete.  
 
 If you look at the demographics, the SEC controls the south, the Big 12 the southern-half of the midwest, the Big 10 (11) the northern half of the midwest, and the Pac 10 the west.  With the east being split between 8 football school (the ACC) and the Big East with fewer football schools, but a plethora of basketball schools in both divisions, the East Coast is poorly represented in the big time football market for bowl games and TV rights.  They had no choice but to try to make a big time east coast football coference, lest they be swallowed up in a few years time by the BCS money making conferences.
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Venerable Bede

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2003, 11:52:00 am »
well, the entire acc is complicit, with the apparent exceptions of duke and north carolina.  i think the worse behaviour is on virginia, holding out their vote unless vt got an invitation.  so, voila, vt gets an invitation, and now there are 8 votes for expansion.  sally jenkins in today's post has got this whole thing correct.  this is nothing but a ploy by the acc leadership promising loads, or scads, of cash to the universities, but with only 11 teams, they can't hold a conference championship (which would generate tv revenue).  if miami leaves, the big east loses football money from tv, and colleges that had been trying to build their football program get screwed since the big east will lose their automatic bid into the bcs.  so, now, they'll run to take a school or two from conference usa (probably louisville).  nevertheless, this is still a relatively neutral outcome, as opposed to worse case scenarios (that espn spent days writing about), such as the demise of the entire a-10 and conference usa.  
 
 i don't agree with what the acc is doing, since this is a blind grab at trying to get money that won't benefit a single school.  after all, revenue won't go up by much and will have to be split 11 ways as opposed to 9 ways.  anyway, i haven't agreed with conference switching since arkansas left the southwest conference for the money and glory of the sec.  ha, we showed them up by forming the big 12, and general athletic superiority.
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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2003, 11:53:00 am »
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  Cry me a fucking river.  Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about.  Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.
 
 
It was a joke, relax.  I'm completely fine with the education I recieved (yet, am still paying for) and am quite happy for my less fortunate minority brothers and sisters who got into better graduate schools because of their minority status.  I know they didn't have life as easy a childhood as I did growing up in white suburban Orange County and I for one am fine with them getting breaks in colleges and grad schools.
 
 But I will not listen to student-athletes complain about their likenesses being used by colleges to sell tickets and t-shirts.  they are there for free and they should show some respect.  What they do with their opportunity is their choice.  
 
 As for your comment about reputation of the school, I have no idea what you're talking about in the context of this conversation.
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mankie

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2003, 11:55:00 am »
So with this new law the Supreme Court passed, will I be a shoo-in at Howard University seeing as I'm a minority there? (Or any other DC college for that matter)

sueandnotu

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2003, 11:55:00 am »
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   ha, we showed them up by forming the big 12, and general athletic superiority.
Amen.  Hook 'em Horns.

mjnova

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2003, 12:00:00 pm »
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Originally posted by mjnova:
  Cry me a fucking river.  Sure we may get passed up for jobs and might not get into all the Ivys of the world, but I have very little to bitch about.  Except for those "overcomming adversity" essays for college, those are just the toughest.
 
 
It was a joke, relax.  I'm completely fine with the education I recieved (yet, am still paying for) and am quite happy for my less fortunate minority brothers and sisters who got into better graduate schools because of their minority status.  I know they didn't have life as easy a childhood as I did growing up in white suburban Orange County and I for one am fine with them getting breaks in colleges and grad schools.
 
 But I will not listen to student-athletes complain about their likenesses being used by colleges to sell tickets and t-shirts.  they are there for free and they should show some respect.  What they do with their opportunity is their choice.  
 
 As for your comment about reputation of the school, I have no idea what you're talking about in the context of this conversation. [/b]
My point is that sports are so tied into the fabric of schools now that a sports scandal has a far bigger impact, than say recuiting a nobel loriet (however you spell it) professor.  I'm was just saying that things are really out of whack.  Which is pretty obvious.

Jaguär

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Re: Let's see what has been destroyed by greed in recent ti
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2003, 12:01:00 pm »
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  So with this new law the Supreme Court passed, will I be a shoo-in at Howard University seeing as I'm a minority there? (Or any other DC college for that matter)
You'll get into the college but, if what I've heard is true, you won't get much attention in their emergency room.