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thirsty moore

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2004, 01:55:00 pm »
C'mon, don't you all know that the Sex Pistols were really just a Britpop band?

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2004, 01:59:00 pm »
But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
 
 Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?
 
 
   
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 Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
 
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame. [/b]

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2004, 02:02:00 pm »
Yes, they batted .350 and they pitched 12 straight no hitters.
 
 
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  But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
 
 Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2004, 02:03:00 pm »
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  But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
 
 Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?
 
 
     
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 Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
 
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame. [/b]
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well, i guess this is more in line. . explain how rick ferrell got into the hall?  no one would dare say that he was a great player, but a relatively average one.  however, he was good for a catcher.  could you not say something similar about the pistols?  why you may not like them, they were/are the proto-typical punk band of that era.  while you go on pooh-poohing punk, it's still a genre (especially the 70s/early 80s bands) that is gonna have to be reckoned with by the rock and roll hall of fame.  just because YOU don't like it, is an obvious logical fallacy.
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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2004, 02:07:00 pm »
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 well, i guess this is more in line. . explain how rick ferrell got into the hall?  no one would dare say that he was a great player, but a relatively average one.  however, he was good for a catcher.  could you not say something similar about the pistols?  why you may not like them, they were/are the proto-typical punk band of that era.  while you go on pooh-poohing punk, it's still a genre (especially the 70s/early 80s bands) that is gonna have to be reckoned with by the rock and roll hall of fame.  just because YOU don't like it, is an obvious logical fallacy.
i think you are arguing with no one really.
 
  I am sure if we looked at all of the sports stats against who made thier respective halls of fame, we'd find a fwe people who were "gifted" in, and a few who were "left out".  thats probably agreed, but do we need to do it here too?
 
   is it the Hall Of Fame or a popularity contest?
 
  cause I'd vote them into the latter.
 
 besides, if a baseball player got hooked on smack and killed his wife....he wouldnt be in the hall of fame.

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2004, 02:07:00 pm »
Punk rock changed my life...but then again, to some people if it's not the Old 97's or some alt-country thing, it's shite. Not that I care, because I don't care much for that attitude anyway. Punk rock MAJORLY altered popular music in the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's. It may have been a trickle-down effect in a lot of cases, but it's there, in everything from Blondie and the Go-Go's to Green Day and Nirvana.
 
 For my own pick, I would say the 3 I would choose EASILY are the Stooges, Patti Smith and Grandmaster Flash. Fourth would be the Pretenders. You have to give credit where credit is due...the Stooges put out three of the best rock'n'roll records of all time. The Sex Pistols, though influential, also did as much damage as they did good. Nobody wanted to touch punk rock after the Pistols. Bands like the Ramones were pretty much destined to commercial failure because the image was too risky to record labels. That's why people started signing up all the new wave bands because it was watered down punk and it was more palatable to the consumer.
 
 That being said, punk rock is class music like the blues or country. It was meant to be about rebellion, and it was inspired by people who were beaten down and tired of it. Their expression was through music, and there is an honesty in that type of music because it's inspired by what is real. Not all punk is sophisticated (let's face it, people like the Ramones were NOT society's elite), but there was still something that fueled their songs...and over time it became more focused, more angry. Put on any early Black Flag, Minor Threat, or go back to the Stooges. You have a revolution in those records. The Stooges are the real deal...they belong in the Hall of Fame to give it some legitimacy.

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2004, 02:07:00 pm »
How about Gram Parsons?
 
 He played maybe four seasons - as a blocking fullback and special teams player - and gained about 417 yards over that career.
 
 
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 Does a football player have one 2000 yard season, then blow out his knee and retire, and get rewarded hall of fame status?
 

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2004, 02:08:00 pm »
yes, i know, OJ Simpson.

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2004, 02:12:00 pm »
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i think you are arguing with no one really.
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yeah, that's true. . .but my bronchitis has made me cranky and combative today.  waiting for the doctor to (hopefully) give me something to help me.  perhaps herr doom could give me some of whatever he's been smoking.   :)
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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2004, 02:16:00 pm »
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 Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
one record yes, thats whats when the band breaks up. but i think the legend of the pistols would have been damaged by future records.  plus at the time plenty of drugs, alcohol and death had the band in pretty poor shape to do a follow up.  plus rotton was already to move on to different things with PIL
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2004, 02:18:00 pm »
Ok, I guess that means Mark "The Bird" Fidrych and Rick Ankiel both belong the the baseball hall of fame, no?
 
 
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 Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
one record yes, thats whats when the band breaks up. but i think the legend of the pistols would have been damaged by future records.  plus at the time plenty of drugs, alcohol and death had the band in pretty poor shape to do a follow up.  plus rotton was already to move on to different things with PIL [/b]

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2004, 02:19:00 pm »
For his wacky antics at least.
 
 
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  Ok, I guess that means Mark "The Bird" Fidrych ... belong the the baseball hall of fame, no?

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2004, 02:23:00 pm »
And there's of course the annual question:
 
 What do [insert nominated artists here] have to do with Rock 'n' Roll?  In this case, I'll put up Grand Master Flash and Conway Twitty.
 
 I can readily understand why some blues and country artists are in there.  They directly influenced the progression of rock and roll.  There's no doubt that GMF was a monstrous force in the development of rap, hip-hop and popular music in general - but rock and roll?  Same for Conway.  An absolute top-notch country artist, worth of every bit of country praise I could think of.  But did he have any influence at all in rock and roll?

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Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2004, 02:26:00 pm »
So do you think Buddly Holly doesn't deserve to be in the hall?  Based on this argument you don't.  Comparing the RnR hall to football or baseball is silly.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I don't think the Sex Pistols should be in the rock and roll hame of fame.
 
 They put out one album, right?
 
 Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
 
 Does a football player have one 2000 yard season, then blow out his knee and retire, and get rewarded hall of fame status?
 
 Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.

Re: Rock Hall of Fame Finalists
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2004, 02:30:00 pm »
Conway actually started as a rock and roll artist on Sun Records, and wrote the Elvis smash "It's Only Make Believe". But you're right, his rock contributions weren't really that significant.
 
 Except my mom got the see one of his rock shows back in the 50's and meet him after the show.
 
 
 
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  And there's of course the annual question:
 
 What do [insert nominated artists here] have to do with Rock 'n' Roll?  In this case, I'll put up Grand Master Flash and Conway Twitty.
 
 I can readily understand why some blues and country artists are in there.  They directly influenced the progression of rock and roll.  There's no doubt that GMF was a monstrous force in the development of rap, hip-hop and popular music in general - but rock and roll?  Same for Conway.  An absolute top-notch country artist, worth of every bit of country praise I could think of.  But did he have any influence at all in rock and roll?