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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2008, 03:51:00 pm »
I consider venues like Sonar, 9:30 Club, The National, The NorVa, Toad's Place, etc to all be in the same 1200-1800 person range.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2008, 03:53:00 pm »
by the way Jim Graham repsonded like this..but this was a year ago and I have heard nothing about an RFP.. maybe I'll write the Council again:
 
 Thanks. We might very well end up with such a venue. AN RFP is about to issued.  Perhaps 9:30 will apply along with others. Bests

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2008, 03:56:00 pm »
last time i was at sonar it was a lot smaller than 9:30 club. granted i might have been in the club room, but im pretty sure i was at the mainstage.
 
 edit: actually it only holds 1000 according to their website.
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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2008, 03:56:00 pm »
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  the problem is that if a mid-sized venue was built in SS, the economics of building a similar venue in DC *really* wouldn't work.
I find it really funny the argument is getting made that the city of DC with 588,000 people living inside it's boundary (not to mention it's metro area) and a rich, musical heritage can only support one ~1500 person venue, while Richmond's 198,000 residents can support two.
 
 
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  technically, wouldnt the smaller venue be more expensive?
You'd think since the band's "per night" cost would have to be divided among fewer people.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2008, 03:58:00 pm »
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 for me the silver spring fillmore is not what i want.. i want it in DC! build it! the market is there..
the problem is that if a mid-sized venue was built in SS, the economics of building a similar venue in DC *really* wouldn't work.  i doubt this market could support two such venue, so if they build the SS venue, get used to taking the red line all the way up there for mid-sized shows.  guess it would still be better than patriot center... [/b]
I agree with this too.. this is whats so frustrating about the venue not having been built in DC and leaving the door open for Silver Spring..
 
 OK I'm going to go now.. this is one of my pet dc issues... i don't have the 930 books so i can't say for sure how profitable the place is  but i think they've been making good money which is why they are not that pressed to build another venue.. but i think they are leaving money on the table by not building a bigger venue..and ultimately its the music concert consumer getting screwed.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2008, 04:01:00 pm »
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  technically, wouldnt the smaller venue be more expensive?
I wondered the same thing.
 
 Typically, more intimate show = higher price, no?
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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2008, 04:04:00 pm »
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 how can it not be viable? 930 club is selling out an overwhelming percentage of shows.. we all see this! they are leaving a lot of money on the table.. its too small or the acts that are playing it... when a venue is selling out such a high percentage of shows and when they are being forced to rent another venue (dar) for a bunch of them (ween, mmj, wilco, kings of leon, etc.) its clear that they need a bigger venue
i'm with relaxer on this one, it's mostly the big attention-getters that sell out so percentage of sell-outs appears to be disproportional.  and from an economic point of view, it's often better to sell out a smaller club than to have a half-empty bigger club.
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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2008, 04:05:00 pm »
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  I find it really funny the argument is getting made that the city of DC with 588,000 people living inside it's boundary (not to mention it's metro area) and a rich, musical heritage can only support one ~1500 person venue, while Richmond's 198,000 residents can support two.
 
rent/real estate have got to be significantly lower in richmond. even so, it is remarkable that richmond can support two venues like that. back in pittsburgh venues used to come and go every couple years
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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2008, 04:10:00 pm »
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  rent/real estate have got to be significantly lower in richmond. even so, it is remarkable that richmond can support two venues like that.
No doubt on both points. I think the fact both have/are building full-service restaurants (not just for people attending shows) in addition to their concert halls help both.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2008, 04:17:00 pm »
1200 vs. 3-5k.  Look at Baltimore's Ramshead Live, that is in the latter range, what do they show there, that is what goes into such places.  Realize that 3 nights of Wilco might be the same 700 core fans and maybe 1000 more, so in a 3-5k place, it is about 1/2 full.  Multi-shows do not add up linearly to a bigger place.  Also there are far fewer shows that would fill such a place, making it harder to keep filled and profitable.  Go to www.pollstar.com join and get to see the ticket sales for different bands on tour (well they used to have that information but you do pay for it).  The 3-5k range is viewed as hell by most concert people, hard to keep profitable in that size in most markets.  
 
 Still if it is going to happen, having competetive bidding, especially when they are looking for major cuts in the budgets would be a first step.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2008, 04:58:00 pm »
And don't confuse The Fillmore with the 3-5k venue some of you are looking for.  The Fillmore is only supposed to hold 500-2000 people, depending on the configuration.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2008, 06:08:00 pm »
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  1200 vs. 3-5k.  Look at Baltimore's Ramshead Live, that is in the latter range, what do they show there, that is what goes into such places.  
Even with the recent expansion, Rams Head Live is still under 2000.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2008, 06:22:00 pm »
I find using tax payers money for a major corporation to be a bit of bullshit. Though I'm not from MoCo, this deal smells a lot. While yes I am a fan of the 9:30 club and of the Black Cat, I am trying very hard to be unbiased here.
 
 It's a shame that somebody can't start their own music venue the way Dante or Seth did. I find it sad that Silver Spring and Montgomery County didn't put out a bid to see if anyone independently or involved in the local music scene would want to do a new venue. Instead, they just point blankly turned to the Applebee's or McDonald's equivalent of concert companies.
 
 I am all about fair and open bids and government. Had Live Nation got this deal the right way, I would probably have no issues with it. But since they obviously didn't, it bothers me alot. It says a lot about local government and how they seem to be okay with big chain companies. It also makes me sad that this place probably won't have anything unique or special to offer. The original Fillmore is something unique, historical and special. But having a Fillmore in the dc area to me is like having a Chili's or some other chain restaurant, and I don't know about everyone else, but I like going to localized restaurants because they sometimes tend to be better than chains and more passionate about food. I'd like my music venues to also scream something geographically special (there is only one 9:30 Club in this world and it's the pride and joy I think of many people in Maryland and DC). I also love places that are passionate about the music. I think part of the reason I couldn't stand Nation is that it always had this feeling that it was just there for the money and not also because of the music. Actually I think I can't stand Ramshead Live! much is because it feels like an applebee's.
 
 I just get this sinking feeling that this venue in Silver Spring is going to be all about money and not really the music. Also, I get the feeling it's going to be like Ramshead Live! in the terms of being a polished music venue that lacks much character.
 
 Final thing, I don't think the 930 club has much of a monopoly. Live Nation already books stuff in this area. AC/DC at the Verizon Center is obviously a live nation deal. I've learned that if something happens at DAR, George Mason or Verizon Center that isn't posted on here, most likely it's a Live Nation event. I fear that Live Nation having their own music club in the area will be an issue because like somebody said earlier, they can harass bands with playing on their venues, because they own most venues in smaller cities.
 
 ps- Venue Sizes...
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading somewhere that Nation could hold 2,000 people. 9:30 club  can hold about 960 people. Black Cat's main concert room can hold I think almost 700 people. Reacher Theatre can hold close to 1,000. Sonar can hold about 1,000 and Ramshead Live! can hold about 1,600.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2008, 06:37:00 pm »
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  I find it sad that Silver Spring and Montgomery County didn't put out a bid to see if anyone independently or involved in the local music scene would want to do a new venue. Instead, they just point blankly turned to the Applebee's or McDonald's equivalent of concert companies.
This isn't entirely true.  They had a deal 99% complete to open another Birchmere in the same location.  That last 1% of the negotiation took forever (over a year?) and they eventually bailed on it.  About one week later they announced a completed deal with Live Nation for a bigger 9:30-type club.

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Re: Got a Live Nation email regarding Silver Spring Fillmore
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2008, 06:47:00 pm »
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Originally posted by saintangelsin:
 Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading somewhere that Nation could hold 2,000 people. 9:30 club  can hold about 960 people. Black Cat's main concert room can hold I think almost 700 people. Reacher Theatre can hold close to 1,000. Sonar can hold about 1,000 and Ramshead Live! can hold about 1,600.
I question that 9:30 Club figure. I think 898 is the posted downstairs fire code maximum alone.