has all the great music already been created?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

No, at that point there was still great music to be invented. At the point we're at now, music has jumped the shark. Sure, they can still produce great music. And they can still produce music that is innovative and original. But a combination of both? Nah. Not unless your ears can tolerate bands like Need New Body. And most people's can't. Even people who claim to be music dweebs.
 
 

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  So it's been downhill the minute the first human pounded two rocks together?

[kosmo vinyl]

Well I'll download Needs New Body and let you know... although based on what Allmusic says their sound is derived from several sources...

[kosmo vinyl]

and "jumped the shark" has "jumped the shark"
 
 and besides great new music can always been created because there always going to be new tools and techniques to create and record music with.

[sacriforce]

I think all of the great music HAS been created.

which could also be said about film, novels, narrative  in general. structurally there's not much differnce between songs by slayer and autechre; there's a beginning, middle and end, crescendo's and breakdowns, sometimes there're lyrics , sometimes not. the difference is mostly in styling.
 I think wat may have prom,pted this thread tho, is the fact that there's a lot of homogeneity and recycling - ie. Libertines to Clash - going on in (pop) music. But it's always been this way.

[snailhook]

Not unless your ears can tolerate bands like Need New Body. And most people's can't. Even people who claim to be music dweebs.

need new body are not even that inaccessible. i book a hell of a lot more challenging bands than them. in fact, some of their material is pretty damn catchy. NNB have plenty of disparate influences and combine them in a way that is fresh. whether it's your style or not, it is hard to question their musical ability.
 
 xavier/rhett, you do have a valid point in that the majority of people don't want to be challenged or confronted and really do just want to be comforted with the familiar. after being involved in the avant-garde/extreme music scene for years, both attending and promoting shows, i have come to realize that most of this stuff, despite how beautiful or transcendent i find it, is simply not appealing to most people weaned on pop/rock convention. i don't expect the masses to appreciate free jazz, abrasive noise, or bludgeoning sludge-metal. on the other hand, i don't understand why artists like jack rose and laura cantrell aren't selling out the 9:30 club and DAR.
 
 aside from debating what does and does not appeal to the masses, what isn't debateable is that there are no new sounds and textures and forms being created. i guess if you want to be truly accurate, you can say that the frontier of alien sounds was reached when stockhausen and xenakis and their peers in the '50s discovered and pioneered electronic music. the use of extreme volume has already been explored by blue cheer, motorhead, and every death metal band. still, invention is possible by mixing all sorts of instruments, lyrics, rhythms, melodies, and styles, and the possibilities are endless.
 
 this argument may pertain to pop, but music encompasses such a wide range of cultures and approaches, that it is ignorant to say that there is nowhere to go from here. i find great music from the 1800s, the 1920s, the 2000s, and every year in between, and we don't even know 99% of what's out there.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Pop music has pretty much been derivative since the dawn of time.  And make no mistake, whatver nuanced labels y'all put on it, indie, punk, brit-pop, goth, what have you -- it's all just pop.  Nothing wrong with it, but let's be honest.
 
 Nothing in human creation is ever totally "new."  If it was, we wouldn't recognize it or like it.

[chaz]

I love pop music.
 
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[chaz]

Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
 
 Nothing in human creation is ever totally "new."  If it was, we wouldn't recognize it or like it.

He's right.  Remember "New" Coke?  It was a massive failure.

[Sage 703]

"New Coke" was the most brilliant guerilla marketing technique in the history of modern marketing.
 
 Coke is fighting a losing battle to Pepsi, which has been gaining in popularity as a result of a successful advertising campaign (remember the Paula Abdul commercials?).  Consequently, Coke decides to "retire" Coca'cola Classic, and introduce "New Coke."  They make a big deal of this - ads saying how this is going to revolutionize Coke and reinvigorate the product line.
 
 But here is the thing - Coke didn't need to plan to follow through with "New Coke" if it failed.  Here's the scenario:
 
 Coke makes enough product to accomodate the first few shipments of "New Coke."  At the same time, they monitor customer reaction.  Everybody feels that they have to try "New Coke," just from a curiousity standpoint.  So the first few shipments sell without a problem.  Coke claims "we're selling so fast that we can't keep it in stock."  But the reality is that they just didn't make enough product, because they want to guage reaction.  When the public starts saying that "New Coke" sucks, they realize that their original product is better.
 
 So what does Coke do?  Launches a new ad campaign, about three months or so later after "lackluster sales" (which is really resulting from limited product being shipped) saying that they are listening to the consumer, and bringing back the original Coca'cola (which really, was the plan all along).  Now, Coke as a company is a hero - they listen to the consumer and respect their opinion.  In addition, they've dominated headlines and stolen the spotlight back from Pepsi.  "New Coke" is pulled off the shelves, and Coca'cola Classic returns.  To massive, massive sales of appreciative consumers.
 
 Absolutely the most brilliant move in marketing ever.

[shoot ur shot]

need new body are corny
 
 i don't get why cramming 50 different genres in a 7 minute song seems like such a good idea to so many quirky 20something music enthusiasts that form bands. transcending genres is fine, deconstructing pop music cool but so many bands do it so tastelessly and without giving it much thought at all... i swear the mothers of invention are responsible for some of the worst underground music ever.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by shoot ur shot:
  need new body are corny
 
 i don't get why cramming 50 different genres in a 7 minute song seems like such a good idea to so many quirky 20something music enthusiasts that form bands. transcending genres is fine, deconstructing pop music cool but so many bands do it so tastelessly and without giving it much thought at all... i swear the mothers of invention are responsible for some of the worst underground music ever.

really? this why i find the Go! Team and it's ilk so unlistenable... maybe i take an F for not turning in my book report...

[chaz]

Originally posted by callat703:
  "New Coke" was the most brilliant guerilla marketing technique in the history of modern marketing.
 
 Coke is fighting a losing battle to Pepsi, which has been gaining in popularity as a result of a successful advertising campaign (remember the Paula Abdul commercials?).  Consequently, Coke decides to "retire" Coca'cola Classic, and introduce "New Coke."  They make a big deal of this - ads saying how this is going to revolutionize Coke and reinvigorate the product line.
 
 But here is the thing - Coke didn't need to plan to follow through with "New Coke" if it failed.  Here's the scenario:
 
 Coke makes enough product to accomodate the first few shipments of "New Coke."  At the same time, they monitor customer reaction.  Everybody feels that they have to try "New Coke," just from a curiousity standpoint.  So the first few shipments sell without a problem.  Coke claims "we're selling so fast that we can't keep it in stock."  But the reality is that they just didn't make enough product, because they want to guage reaction.  When the public starts saying that "New Coke" sucks, they realize that their original product is better.
 
 So what does Coke do?  Launches a new ad campaign, about three months or so later after "lackluster sales" (which is really resulting from limited product being shipped) saying that they are listening to the consumer, and bringing back the original Coca'cola (which really, was the plan all along).  Now, Coke as a company is a hero - they listen to the consumer and respect their opinion.  In addition, they've dominated headlines and stolen the spotlight back from Pepsi.  "New Coke" is pulled off the shelves, and Coca'cola Classic returns.  To massive, massive sales of appreciative consumers.
 
 Absolutely the most brilliant move in marketing ever.

Jeez I was just making a sarcastic comment.  Spare me the Advertising 101 lecture.  Was this case in one of your Marketing textbooks?

[shoot ur shot]

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
   

Originally posted by shoot ur shot:
  need new body are corny
 
 i don't get why cramming 50 different genres in a 7 minute song seems like such a good idea to so many quirky 20something music enthusiasts that form bands. transcending genres is fine, deconstructing pop music cool but so many bands do it so tastelessly and without giving it much thought at all... i swear the mothers of invention are responsible for some of the worst underground music ever.

really? this why i find the Go! Team and it's ilk so unlistenable... maybe i take an F for not turning in my book report... [/b]

haha i actually like the go! team (when are they coming to 930?) but it appears to me that they are coming from more a hip hop collage/dj background. besides, they're british. my statement applies to overindulged americans with no attention span.

[Sage 703]

Jeez I was just making a sarcastic comment. Spare me the Advertising 101 lecture. Was this case in one of your Marketing textbooks?  

Ha.  I was a history major.  Never took a marketing class in my life.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by callat703:
  "New Coke" was the most brilliant guerilla marketing technique in the history of modern marketing.
 

and here i thought the whole campaign was TO change "classic" coke.  there are testimonials from long-time coke drinkers that the "classic" coke tastes very different from the coke before "new coke."