Author Topic: cover tunes  (Read 7275 times)

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2005, 01:53:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - Chinese Rocks (Ramones)
 
Is that technically a cover?

kosmo vinyl

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 15176
    • Hi-Fi Pop
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2005, 02:03:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by poorlulu:
   
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - Chinese Rocks (Ramones)
 
Is that technically a cover? [/b]
i guess no... on the copy of "L.A.M.F Revisited" I just got the song is credited to (Ramone/Ramone/Ramone) so whoever put the liner notes together must have been sniffin glue at the time.  on allmusic it's  credited to hell/dolan/thunders/ramone...
 
 so how about
 
 The D4 - "Pirate Love" (see above)
 
 Addendum - Dee Dee Ramone is credited as first writing the song, but the Ramones rejected it.
T.Rex

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2005, 02:11:00 pm »
I cannot remember the story that well, I thought the ramones were alleged to have written it, but didnt record it until after Thunders had played and recorded it. They didnt wnat to be singing about H. But then they changed their mind and took the song back..... And the songwriting credits with it.
 
 I have seen on websites where it claims Hell and Dee Dee wrote it for Thunders.
 
 I am sure the details were in Please Kill Me or was it the clash biography?

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2005, 02:12:00 pm »
Is it a cover if someone writes it for someone else?
 
 I say no.

kosmo vinyl

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 15176
    • Hi-Fi Pop
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2005, 02:20:00 pm »
from allmusic
 
 Chinese Rocks
 
 Few other rock musicians have ever danced on the edge of drug oblivion for as long and hard as Johnny Thunders did. The theme of hard drugs (namely heroin) cropped up time and time again in Thunders' music, perhaps never more evident than in one of Thunders' best-known songs, "Chinese Rocks." While the song is pure Johnny Thunders -- ragged guitar riffs, an almost drunken vocal delivery, lots of attitude, etc. -- Thunders did not pen it. The song's main author was the Ramones' bassist Dee Dee Ramone. He set out to write a song that would out-do the Velvet Underground's "Heroin," as the song shed light on the grim and desperate life of a junkie (strangely, it was more comparable to another VU song, "I'm Waiting for the Man," rather than "Heroin"). Dee Dee supposedly wrote the song in Debbie Harry's apartment, but when he showed it to his Ramones bandmates, they rejected it since they didn't want any drug-based songs. Dee Dee then showed it to friend Richard Hell, who was in Johnny Thunders' band the Heartbreakers at the time. The Heartbreakers recorded it for their classic L.A.M.F. release (later reissued as L.A.M.F. Revisited), but, over the years, Thunders was erroneously assumed to be the song's author -- even though he had nothing to do with the song's creation.
T.Rex

twangirl

  • Member
  • Posts: 693
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2005, 02:23:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  Billy Bragg "7+7 Is", The Damned "Alone Again Or" both Love Covers
 
I like Calexico's cover of "Alone Again Or"
 
 Evan Johns does a cover of "Too Drunk to Fuck"
 
 Los Super Seven "Heard it on the X"
 
 The Dickies "Nights In White Satin"

kosmo vinyl

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 15176
    • Hi-Fi Pop
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2005, 02:30:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by poorlulu:
  Is it a cover if someone writes it for someone else?
 
 I say no.
I would agree, so is the Ramones version of Chinese Rocks then a cover   ;)  
 
 Even though many artists in the 50s and 60s didn't write their own material, instead getting them from Brill Building songwriters, the first recorded version is also not a cover either.
T.Rex

vansmack

  • Member
  • Posts: 19722
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2005, 02:31:00 pm »
Jesse Dayton's cover of The Cars "Just What I needed" is good, but the live version is much better.
27>34

kosmo vinyl

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 15176
    • Hi-Fi Pop
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2005, 02:37:00 pm »
Bow Wow Wow - "I Want Candy" (The Strangeloves)
T.Rex

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2005, 02:38:00 pm »
What allmusic fails to note is that Thunders added more verses to the song and is a genuine co-author.
 
 Its a cool story.
 
 dont have to go back as far as the 60's....
 
 How many of their own songs did Madonna or Kylie pen?

dfmcpete

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2005, 02:46:00 pm »
I believe Ted Leo's "Suspect Device" is on the Sharkbite Sessions iTunes thing. If you can find it, he does "Spirit of the Radio" (Rush) as well...
 
 Pixies - Head On (J+MC Cover)
 Ben Lee - Float On (Modest Mouse)
 Modest Mouse - Sleepwalkin (Santo + Johnny interpretation)
 Travis Morrison - What's your Fantasy (Ludacris)
 Superwolf - Ignition (R. Kelly)
 Decemberists - Wuthering Heights (Kate Bush)
 Green Day - Knowledge (Operation Ivy)
  You Ain't No Picasso (blog) has some interesting covers up, they mostly sound like crap.
  Suckapants does too, but you'll have to figure 'em out for yourself.

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2005, 02:48:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by dfmcpete:
 Travis Morrison - What's your Fantasy (Ludacris)
 
Are you sure you like his covers?

dfmcpete

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2005, 02:50:00 pm »
What's wrong with his covers?
  <img src="http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g446/g44611k65ma.jpg" alt=" - " />

poorlulu

  • Guest
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2005, 02:55:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by dfmcpete:
  What's wrong with his covers?
 
I am not a fan of the artwork, either.

kosmo vinyl

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 15176
    • Hi-Fi Pop
Re: cover tunes
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2005, 03:00:00 pm »
Quote
Originally posted by poorlulu:
  What allmusic fails to note is that Thunders added more verses to the song and is a genuine co-author.
 
 Its a cool story.
 
 dont have to go back as far as the 60's....
 
 How many of their own songs did Madonna or Kylie pen?
well what threw me off the trail, plus  the bogus songwriting credits,  was that even the heartbreakers version of the song still reeks of it being a ramones song.
 
 Doesn't Madonna "share" a hand in her songs?  Kyle probably not so much...  Of course Celine Dion writes her song the same way Alan Freed did.  But, whats poor Corey Hart going to do, stave or have a song on a hit record.
T.Rex