The Fall

[slappy]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  You're a dope, Slappy. Since when does an opinion that differs from yours on something as subjective as music make my opinion unintelligent?
 
 In my mind:
 
 Legend: the Clash Not Legend: The Fall
 Legend: Lynrd Skynrd Not Legend: Molly Hatchett
 Legend: The Beatles Not Legend: Oasis
 Legend: The Smiths Not Legend: the Housemartins
 Legend: Hank Williams Not Legend: George Strait
 
 Christ, not every good band can be called a legend. Get over it.
 
 

Like I said unintelligent...
 Music opinions may subjective but you could actually try listening to a band that you bash.
 
 If you had actually heard the Fall you would realize they sound nothing like the Clash.
 
 Newsflash! Not all British bands that formed in the late 70s are derivative of the Clash.
 
 A more accurate analogy would be:
 Legend: Jay Farrar     Not a Legend: Rhett Miller

[Jaguär]

Holy shit! That was his wife!?   :eek:  Well, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. It's amazing what some women will put up with for art. She was very attractive....and young. In fact, I thought that she looked like an Indie Madame Alexander doll. As far as those looks, she just seemed dead inside all night. Almost no feeling towards anything except when he came over to move her mic and she seemed pissed off about that for some reason. Maybe he didn't want her singing anymore. LOL. That threw me off a bit as he moved it in a way that he seemed to be really pissed off about something. For a moment, I thought that they were going to get into a brawl right there on stage.
 
 And what the f*(^ was that coat rack at the end about!?!?!? LOLOLOLOL. That made no sense whatsoever. Though that guy who came out cracked me up. He looked like the band had stopped off in West Virginia or Kentucky and picked up some stray from a My Morning Jacket show. He was wearing a Pabst cap and fat and all sraggely, having a good old time playing the rack of a broiler pan with a spoon. Sounded damn good too!
 
 I've decided that Mark E. Smith is the Charles Bukowski of Manchester.

[markie]

Originally posted by mankie:
  Hey scientist markie wk....I just realized, I was thinking of The Farm, not The Fall. I was wondering why you were getting all erect and lubricated over the frigging Farm!
 

Tool!!!
 
 you big 'fing tool.
 
 I thought of you last night, there were people in all sorts of Brit band T-shirts..... Smiths, Morrissey, cinerama, even a couple of Pogues Ts..... If you like music by these bands you should like the fall.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Actually, I own a copy of he 12" for the Fall's "Telephone Thing" which came out in 1990, so I actually have listened to the band. And I never said they were derivative of the Clash. George Strait is certainly not derivative of Hank Williams, not are the Housemartins derivative of the Smiths, not my implication at all.
 
    I never said Rhett Miller was a legend. I would say:
 
 Legend: Gram Parsons Not Legend: Rhett Miller
 
    To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
 
 
 

Originally posted by slappy:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  You're a dope, Slappy. Since when does an opinion that differs from yours on something as subjective as music make my opinion unintelligent?
 
 In my mind:
 
 Legend: the Clash Not Legend: The Fall
 Legend: Lynrd Skynrd Not Legend: Molly Hatchett
 Legend: The Beatles Not Legend: Oasis
 Legend: The Smiths Not Legend: the Housemartins
 Legend: Hank Williams Not Legend: George Strait
 
 Christ, not every good band can be called a legend. Get over it.
 
 

Like I said unintelligent...
 Music opinions may subjective but you could actually try listening to a band that you bash.
 
 If you had actually heard the Fall you would realize they sound nothing like the Clash.
 
 Newsflash! Not all British bands that formed in the late 70s are derivative of the Clash.
 
 A more accurate analogy would be:
 Legend: Jay Farrar     Not a Legend: Rhett Miller [/b]

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
     To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
 

There are a lot of people telling jokes out there then.  How do you define being a legend, does that happen based on what you did or what you continue to do.  Maybe you dont think Uncle Tupelo influenced a lot of people but a lot of people do and Farrar wrote a lot of their songs.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
 
    When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
 
 

Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
     To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
 

There are a lot of people telling jokes out there then.  How do you define being a legend, does that happen based on what you did or what you continue to do.  Maybe you dont think Uncle Tupelo influenced a lot of people but a lot of people do and Farrar wrote a lot of their songs. [/b]

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
 
    When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
 
   

I wasn't aware there is a Jay Farrar tribute album coming out.  
 
 If you are making a point the legends have tribute albums, I am glad to hear you think that Weezer are legends.  I am sure with some more thought I could come up with more dubious legends.  Could you not see an eventual Uncle Tupelo tribute album?

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.

yeah and he's got a retard's hair cut these days...poor Jay

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Who would play on an Uncle Tupelo tribute album? Probably lesser known bands... I was simply trying to point out that it's probably too early to really guage if Uncle Tupelo will have any kind of lasting impact, whereas it's quite certain that Gram Parsons has, as evidenced by the impressive array of artists who were on his tribute album (below). I mean what did Uncle Tupelo contribute to the music world that others hadn't already? Jason and the Scorchers were melding punk with country long before Uncle Tupelo ever formed...
 
 
  1.   She  performed by Pretenders / Emmylou Harris - 4:51
     2.   Ooh Las Vegas  performed by Cowboy Junkies - 5:21
     3.   Sin City  performed by Beck / Emmylou Harris - 4:01
     4.   $1000 Wedding  performed by Evan Dando / Juliana Hatfield - 3:07
     5.   Hot Burrito #1  performed by Mavericks - 3:54
     6.   High Fashion Queen  performed by Chris Hillman / Steve Earle - 3:06
     7.   Juanita  performed by Sheryl Crow / Emmylou Harris - 2:42
     8.   Sleepless Nights  performed by Elvis Costello - 2:57
     9.   Return of the Grievous Angel  performed by Lucinda Williams / David Crosby - 4:19
     10.   One Hundred Years from Now  performed by Wilco - 2:53
     11.   A Song for You  performed by Whiskeytown - 6:40
     12.   Hickory Wind  performed by Gillian Welch - 4:38
     13.   In My Hour of Darkness  performed by Rolling Creekdippers - 4:47
 
 
 

Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
 
    When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
 
   

I wasn't aware there is a Jay Farrar tribute album coming out.  
 
 If you are making a point the legends have tribute albums, I am glad to hear you think that Weezer are legends.  I am sure with some more thought I could come up with more dubious legends.  Could you not see an eventual Uncle Tupelo tribute album? [/b]

[Jaguär]

Anyone hear about Coldplay coming back again?

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Who would play on an Uncle Tupelo tribute album? Probably lesser known bands... I was simply trying to point out that it's probably too early to really guage if Uncle Tupelo will have any kind of lasting impact, whereas it's quite certain that Gram Parsons has, as evidenced by the impressive array of artists who were on his tribute album (below). I mean what did Uncle Tupelo contribute to the music world that others hadn't already? Jason and the Scorchers were melding punk with country long before Uncle Tupelo ever formed...

Are you denying the fact that alot of people perceive Uncle Tupelo as one of the originators of Alt Country?  Just because you believe they aren't doesn't make it so.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Is that the legendary Britpop band Coldplay you're speaking of?
 
 

Originally posted by Jaguär:
  Anyone hear about Coldplay coming back again?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Are The Legendary Shack Shakers a legendary band?
 
 I was reading a magazine at the gym, and they referred to Liz Phair as a "legendary indie rocker". I think that officially proves my initial point, that the word "legend" is overused.

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Are The Legendary Shack Shakers a legendary band?
 
 I was reading a magazine at the gym, and they referred to Liz Phair as a "legendary indie rocker". I think that officially proves my initial point, that the word "legend" is overused.

That wasnt the point we were discussing, you said that calling Jay Farrar a legend is a joke, while I am not ready to call him a legend yet, I think there is some merit there and it is hardly the most preposterous use of the word.

[thirsty moore]

I'm legendary in some of the wilder parts of Aspen Hill -- that's Maryland for all that don't know.