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vansmack

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2004, 01:47:00 pm »
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  Yeah but they guy who replied said in no uncertain terms that if it wasn't country he could care less.....the point being that posting his response was unconstructive in the context of this thread.
 
 Not that I care, just pointing out the obvious.
 
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why would you say that? People on the Robbie Fulks chatboard like all types of music, and they don't have a pre-formed opinion of the band based on knowing a band member. I'd say they are more capable of forming an objective opinion than people who are responding to someone they know, posting a "What do you think of my band?" posting on a chatboard on which he regularly posts. Right?
 
   
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Thanks Chaz.  That was exactly my point.  
 
 I think Fico is looking for opinions from a target audience, that's why he posted here.  I don't think he has the expectations of making people who like a different type of music have an epipheny and say "wow, this is what I have been missing in the indie rock world all my life."
 
 That being said, I think Fico can feel proud that people who are into the type of music he plays (which are usually the toughest critics and capable, when willing, of giving the constructive feedback) are impressed with his work not withstanding the fact that they know him on the board.  Well done.
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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2004, 01:55:00 pm »
Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to? I've found people on that chatboard who are well versed and offer an objective opinion of music from just about every genre.
 
    And c'mon, there's nothing really "indie" about a band whose stated influences include U2 and Stone Roses. That's music that pretty much has mass crossover appeal.
 
   
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Originally posted by chaz:
  Yeah but they guy who replied said in no uncertain terms that if it wasn't country he could care less.....the point being that posting his response was unconstructive in the context of this thread.
 
 Not that I care, just pointing out the obvious.
 
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why would you say that? People on the Robbie Fulks chatboard like all types of music, and they don't have a pre-formed opinion of the band based on knowing a band member. I'd say they are more capable of forming an objective opinion than people who are responding to someone they know, posting a "What do you think of my band?" posting on a chatboard on which he regularly posts. Right?
 
   
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Thanks Chaz.  That was exactly my point.  
 
 I think Fico is looking for opinions from a target audience, that's why he posted here.  I don't think he has the expectations of making people who like a different type of music have an epipheny and say "wow, this is what I have been missing in the indie rock world all my life."
 
 That being said, I think Fico can feel proud that people who are into the type of music he plays (which are usually the toughest critics and capable, when willing, of giving the constructive feedback) are impressed with his work not withstanding the fact that they know him on the board.  Well done. [/b]

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2004, 01:58:00 pm »
thanks for all the info, fico.  I just started scraping the surface with cafe tacuba, so I'll keep listening.
 
 by the way, cafe tacuba @ the birchmere 8/2

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2004, 02:06:00 pm »
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  Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to?  
Uh...well since it  is a Robbie Fulks chatboard I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to assume that many of the visitors listen to alt country or whatever you may prefer to call it.

Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2004, 02:15:00 pm »
Why would you assume that people who listen to alt-country ONLY listen to alt-country? I, for one, listen to alt-country amongst other genres. On this board, Grotty, Twangirl, IMRotten, and others are fans of alt-country, but their tastes certainly aren't limited to alt-country. Why would you assume the people their limit their taste to alt-country?
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to?  
Uh...well since it  is a Robbie Fulks chatboard I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to assume that many of the visitors listen to alt country or whatever you may prefer to call it. [/b]

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2004, 02:30:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to? I've found people on that chatboard who are well versed and offer an objective opinion of music from just about every genre.
 
    And c'mon, there's nothing really "indie" about a band whose stated influences include U2 and Stone Roses. That's music that pretty much has mass crossover appeal.
 
   
I refuse to humor you in your constant ongoing diatribe about "type's" of music.
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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2004, 02:41:00 pm »
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Originally posted by walkie hearts you all:
  thanks for all the info, fico.  I just started scraping the surface with cafe tacuba, so I'll keep listening.
 
 by the way, cafe tacuba @ the birchmere 8/2
Cool..they are definitely an eclectic bunch. I saw them live some 6 or 7 years ago and they were excellent..one of my bandmates caught them last time around at 9:30 and having never heard of them was quite impressed... you can also see a videostream of them performing on Nic Harcourt's Morning Becomes Eclectic... www.kcrw.org ..

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2004, 03:00:00 pm »
I never said they listened to only alt-country.  Would you just listen to yourself sometimes...you're ridiculous!
 
 How about this scenario:
 Ok...you're hanging out on the Cure message board.  Do you think it is more likely that a regular poster there is a fan of (in addition to the cure) bands like Siouxsie, Love and Rockets, Bauhaus or artists like Steve Earle, Old 97's, and BR5-49?  
 
 Making geralizations based on one's existing surroundings is not necessarily close minded and derogitory...in fact many would argue it's a valuable coping skill necessary in daily social interaction.  However, you often seem to be lacking in that area, at least in your exchanges on this board.
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why would you assume that people who listen to alt-country ONLY listen to alt-country? I, for one, listen to alt-country amongst other genres. On this board, Grotty, Twangirl, IMRotten, and others are fans of alt-country, but their tastes certainly aren't limited to alt-country. Why would you assume the people their limit their taste to alt-country?
 
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to?  
Uh...well since it  is a Robbie Fulks chatboard I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to assume that many of the visitors listen to alt country or whatever you may prefer to call it. [/b]
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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2004, 03:07:00 pm »
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2004, 03:10:00 pm »
Not really a good analogy. Given that acts like the Cure (and U2 and Stone Roses to some extent) have had much mainstream success, you're going to find people who are fans of music of that ilk on ANY chatboard.
 
 Alt-country, on the other hand, is much more commercially marginalized.
 
 Thus, I'm probably much more likely to find a Cure or U2 fan on a Robbie Fulks chatboard than I am a Robbie Fulks fan on a Cure chatboard.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by chaz:
  Never said they did listen to only alt-country.  Would you just listen to yourself sometimes...you're ridiculous!
 
 How about this scenario:
 Ok...you're hanging out on the Cure message board.  Do you think it is more likely that a regular poster there is a fan of (in addition to the cure) bands like Siouxsie, Love and Rockets, Bauhaus or artists like Steve Earle, Old 97's, and BR5-49?  
 
 Making geralizations based on one's existing surroundings is not necessarily close minded and derogitory...in fact many would argue it's a valuable coping skill necessary in daily social interaction.  However, you often seem to be lacking in that area, at least in your exchanges on this board.
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why would you assume that people who listen to alt-country ONLY listen to alt-country? I, for one, listen to alt-country amongst other genres. On this board, Grotty, Twangirl, IMRotten, and others are fans of alt-country, but their tastes certainly aren't limited to alt-country. Why would you assume the people their limit their taste to alt-country?
 
 
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Exactly what "type" of music do you assume people on the Robbie Fulks chatboard to listen to?  
Uh...well since it  is a Robbie Fulks chatboard I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to assume that many of the visitors listen to alt country or whatever you may prefer to call it. [/b]
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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2004, 03:21:00 pm »
<img src="http://robbiefulks.com/images/profiles/00358_0.456049141547741.jpg" alt=" - " />
 Alt-Country fans recently seen on the Robbie Fulks board.

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« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2004, 08:58:00 pm »
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  Fico, did you get into rock music in the Dominican Republic or in the US. Not a criticism (actually I liked a lot the country and its people, I´d like to work there again), but there is not much rock music in the Dominican Republic. However, I remember a rock music bar in downtown Santo Domingo called Proud Mary, in the old neighborhood, close to all the historic monuments. Great bar. They played mostly rock from the seventies.
Yes I did...as you know "rock en español" had it's heydey some 10 years ago with Soda Stero from Argentina and Caifanes/Jaguares from Mexico being the Beatles/Stones of spanish rock respectively. For some reason (and I've found it to be the latin case in general)bands like the Cure, the Police, Rush, the Smiths, New Order, U2, etc.. seemed to be massive in our spec of the woods..aside from these bands it was growing up to whatever was on MTV or FM radio...hence my poor knowledge of indie-music/college radio rock... Proud Mary is still there, actually some 2 years back my friends spotted Chris MArtin having dinner there (he was en route to Haiti for some Make Trade Fair ordeal)...I'm not sure when was the last time you were there but the city has changed a lot...the old city (Zona Colonial) has had a huge uplift and it's very hip nowadays...international DJs seem to be spinning every weekend and they opened a great small rock club which 9:30 aside blows away any DC venue.. as far as local acts Toque Profundo may be the only one around from your heydey back in 'Mingo...but some bands such as Auro&Clemt, Gonzalez, Sonico and Tribu del Sol have kept things really interesting... Assuming yer from Barcelona have you heard of a band called Aina?? they are from that area and they came to DC once with Burning Airlines and just left everyones jaw on the floor.. was never fond of Heroes del Silencio, Jarabe de Palo, Oreja de Van Gogh, etc... Mecano tho' is one of my guilty pleasures....and I absolutely luv Pedro Guerra.
 
 For those reading this thread and curios about the bands I've mentioned:
 
 Soda Stereo: seek Sueño Stereo, Dynamo or El Ultimo concierto I&II (live discs from their last show)
 
 Caifanes/Jaguares: Caifanes: El Nervio del Volcan, Historia (Greatest Hits). Jaguares: Bajo el Azul de tu Misterio (live disc included), El Equilibrio del Jaguar. [/b]
I will check Aina, don´t know them, have been living around Latin America and US for the last six years. However, a new band from Barcelona who got a good review in the NYT and is being listened by people I know in Latin America is Ojos de Brujo. Below is a review from the NYT. I was never into Spanish rock from either Spain or Latin America, but i know Soda Stereo. As for Mecano, I guess they are amongst the bands I dislike the most.
 
 The last time I was in Santo Domingo was in December of 2002. I want to go back there, will check the zona colonial, I like that city a lot.
 
 By the way, what did you think about Vargas Llosa's "La fiesta del Chivo"? don't like him too much, but the book might be one of the best books I have ever read, or the best.
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/24/arts/music/24OJOS.html
 
 A Hybrid From Spain Connects Past and Future
 By BEN RATLIFF
 
 Published: July 24, 2004
 
 Ojos de Brujo, a nine-piece punky flamenco-reggae-hip-hop band from Barcelona, looks and sounds unbearably appealing. Like a lot of bohemians from that part of Spain, the members seem something like traditionalist anarchists, growing up with the prickly temper of the Catalan separatist movement and the mute weight of a multimillenial history.
 
 From that apparent contradiction can come an artistic breakthrough. Connecting a culture's vernacular past with its vernacular present and future is an attractive philosophical ideal, and these days doing this means diversifying into other cultures, too. Street music everywhere has become mongrelized.
 
 So far, so good. And on Thursday night at S.O.B.'s, Ojos de Brujo sparked a crowd with sweaty energy, revving it up with buleria rhythms, dancing, background visuals, improvised turntable-scratching and the blizzardy strumming of the flamenco guitar style. The band appears again this weekend, headlining tomorrow afternoon's bill at Central Park SummerStage.
 
 And yet the strong hippie vibe about Ojos de Brujo makes blurry relativism of the project. The band's mixtures seem historically inevitable, but they're not easy. Ojos de Brujo has a lot of elements to balance: two women in front (one, Marina La Canillas, a good Gitano-style belter, and the other, Elisa Belmonte, a good flamenco dancer), two guitarists, a trap drummer and two percussionists, a bassist and a member on turntables and samplers.
 
 Finally, the band isn't quite control-freakish enough to make imposing flamenco, angry enough to make imposing punk, cool-headed or vulgar enough to bring off the playfulness of hip-hop and dancehall. And the flamenco at the core is the new sort, in which the fast, popping precision of jazz-fusion chops are all important; the purely professional touches somehow lessen the street-realism.
 
 But this band worked hard, playing in front of film montages showing police barricades, street protests, nuclear reactors, death heads, and morphing Guernicas — a sort of Catalan Rage Against the Machine video.
 
 And here and there the musical juxtapositions achieved their intended power. One song, "Zambra" (the name means a kind of song and dance for a Gypsy feast or wedding), cultivated a minor-key drone, solidifying it through concentration, then broke it open at its climax with a hip-hop groove and a wordless, improvised rap. The crowd did what it was supposed to: it erupted.

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2004, 01:20:00 am »
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  BTW, thanks to the person who some two years back told our guitar player through this forum that I played bass and was looking for people to play with who were into much of the bands people here talk about..if it wasn't for you the Cartel of today wouldn't have existed...so thanks to whoever it was(methinks Jaguar)...
Yes, that was me.
 Glad it all worked out.
 I knew it would.
 
 Nice. Very nice.

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Re: Cartel Website uo and running...
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2004, 11:50:00 am »
Barcelona, "Fiesta del Chivo" is outstanding..really loved that book..I've given the english version to a few non-spanish speaking friends and they've loved it to. I would also recommend "in the time of the butterflies" by Julia Alvarez...it's the story of the Mirabal Sisters..I admire them immensley...don't know if you remember them but they were also murdered by Trujillo's regime and their faces appeared on the 25c coins back home...
 
 Jaguar,
 Yeah, eternally grateful for hooking us up..in Cartel's book that will get an EP sent your way  :p

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« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2004, 12:44:00 am »
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  Jaguar,
 Yeah, eternally grateful for hooking us up..in Cartel's book that will get an EP sent your way   :p  
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