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bnyced0

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Re: PUMPKINS PARIS, FIRST IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2007, 09:11:00 pm »
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  Nkotb, all I'm sayin' is that everyone is REALLY taking all of this so damn seriously...bynced0 simply reported that he/she saw the show, was excited by it, and everyone has to go and fucking psychoanalyze this shit to death. This thread is going way beyond the pros and cons of  "reunion vs. nonreunion" stuff. It's petty, and it just sounds way more emotional than usual. Lighten up. It was a rock show. Even as a fan of the Pumpkins, I find myself totally on the fence and indifferent to them reforming. I kinda sorta dig the new single, I might go check them out...either way, I'm not getting my panties all in a bunch over any of this. I just have one question for bynced0: was the show free?
Gawd what a shit storm this seemingly benign subject has started.  It??s not like the subject line of the post was cryptic, so I can??t understand why anyone who feels so strongly that the ??new pumpkins? is a farce and inconsequential would even click on the thread let alone spend so much time to justify why this is such a bad idea.
 
 As far as whether or not the show was free for me, no I paid my 60 euros just like everyone else, plus the surcharge or having to fly over there and stay in a hotel.  But just to give some perspective, everyone has their vices, I have mine and it includes a core group of artists (which includes Sonic Youth, PJ Harvey, Prince, Bjork, Ani Difranco, Depeche Mode, Morrissey, and in the past the Smashing Pumpkins amongst others) that I will travel where ever it??s necessary to see them and some people will find that list unworthy of praise and adulation, and I could give a shit less who likes what I like, I make the money I spend, on the shit I find interesting and my vote is the only one that counts.
 
 Anyway my intention wasn??t to start a fight over this subject I just wanted to give my impression of how the pumpkins were to those who care, because I was fairly certain that there would be some curiosity.  I honestly don??t give a shit who likes them and who doesn??t.  I don??t work for them, not on their street team, and not interested in their personal lives, or anything else that doesn??t have to do with the music.  If they??re successful more power to them, I??d be just as happy if no one gave a shit and they had to play Velvet Lounge to pay the rent.
 
 With that said, I don??t think people are going ape shit in a vacuum, and if some think they are exploiting the smashing pumpkins name who the fuck are we to determine that, and try to dissuade them from doing what they want to do?  The market will take care of all of this, if they suck no one will care, right?  
 
 So let??s see what happens, my first impression is that they don??t suck and all I care is about the quality of the music, someone else can spend their time worried about the other bullshit.

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Re: PUMPKINS PARIS, FIRST IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2007, 09:29:00 pm »
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QUOTE]Gawd what a shit storm this seemingly benign subject has started.   [/QB]
I think the all-caps heading got folks fired up.

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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2007, 09:54:00 pm »
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QUOTE]Gawd what a shit storm this seemingly benign subject has started.   [/b]
I think the all-caps heading got folks fired up. [/QB]
If that's the case, my apologies I was using a funky EU keyboard at the time and dead tired such that my online decorum was slipping so I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it an exclamation like that.

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Re: PUMPKINS PARIS, FIRST IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2007, 09:51:00 am »
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If that's the case, my apologies I was using a funky EU keyboard at the time and dead tired such that my online decorum was slipping so I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it an exclamation like that. [/QB]
I didn't mean to say it was inappropriate.  I thought the topic was worthy of the all-caps.
 
 I'm glad to hear they're in good form.  And if the bassist is hot all the better.  I don't think the d'arcy/iha contributions should be discounted (more chemistry than pure musical contribution) but if this new marriage works then cool, i guess.

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2007, 03:20:00 pm »
i really liked the review. It only made me sad that I didnt manage to get tickets to their show in asheville. but it was great to hear they were in top form.
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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2007, 11:43:00 am »
Last night's set list was sick, geezus they're giving people their money's worth.  Now I'm a little dissapointed about monday and the festival gigs in general where they only have about an hour and a half.  Never thought I'd envy anything about dusty/smelly Bonnaroo but at least they let 'em play as long as they like.  Oh well.
 
 http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/photos_gallery_1018?ID=460
 
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« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2007, 04:06:00 pm »
Not to stir up the debate again, but this is a nice article about bands that lose members, etc.
 
 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/mu-html/chi-0605_bandsjun05,0,6457323.story?coll=orl-middayupdate-ent

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« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2007, 04:53:00 pm »
I think the whole band reunion thing is purely subjective. In all cases, you need to see what the product is, either through a new record or a tour. Even though the Buzzcocks reunited well before this whole reunion craze started up, their "reunion" lineup lasted way longer than their "classic" lineup did. Of course, one can argue that they were always better originally, but they sure have put on some blazing shows post-reunion.
 
 To me, the Misfits of today are NOT the real Misfits. Jerry Only (or Only Jerry) can put on the most spirited presentation, but it's just not really a Misfits show without Danzig's pipes. Some people argue that the Germs are nothing without Darby Crash, but in my mind he wasn't God...he was a druggie fuckup that offed himself (sad as it was), and when I saw the "reunited" Germs last year it turned out to be one of the best concert experiences of my life. Kudos to them for handing people's asses to them.
 
 Look at it this way: you have a job, and three other people get hired at the same time. Day in, day out you work together. Maybe you form bonds with them and hang out after work. Maybe you hate a coworker's guts, but you still manage to achieve goals and beat deadlines. Now imagine you're in a band with those people...I hate to make it sound like band members are just coworkers, but it's sort of true, especially when you watch the Pixies movie "loudQUIETloud". I try to be more forgiving when it comes to bands wanting to re-form, but only when they demonstrate that they still care enough about the music being played and not just about how much dough is in it.

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« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2007, 06:51:00 am »
Mr. Cornell weighs in (in the latest issue of...ummm..'Stuff' magazine):
 
 Q: Is there a difference between being a front man of a rock band versus being a solo performer who plays with a backing band?
 
 Chris Cornell:  "Some bands are formed around an egocentric, control-freak singer, and others are more democratic.  I mean, if you are playing as a Smashing Pumpkin, is that much different from playing in Billy Corgan's band?"
 
 
 Oh, SNAP!
 
 Actually, there is a disturbing trend here.  Chris Cornell is announced as performing at the V festival (with Bill Corgan and his Minions II performing), then is mysteriously dropped from the line-up...
 
 Mid-90's, Pavement are announced as performing at Lollapalooza (with Bill Corgan and his Minions I performing), then are mysteriously dropped from the line-up...
 
 Admit it Seth,  was the reason Cornell was dropped from V 2007 due to a pissy, hissy fit from old Baldy?
 
 Brian

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« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2007, 07:39:00 am »
And you say he's not doing it for the money...  :eek:  
 
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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2007, 08:14:00 am »
Bands who do this are so pathetic and low class.  Blink-182 did something similar with "Take Off Your Pants and Jacket" a couple years ago.  But at least they didn't make you go on some bizarre scavenger hunt.  All three versions of the album (each with two different bonus tracks) were available wherever.  But it's not like I had a lot of respect for Blink-182 in the first place...
 
 What you don't understand is that for an album called "Zeitgiest", Bill Corgans wants it to be No. 1.  He NEEDS it to be No. 1.  It has to be the most important release of the 21st century.  Otherwise, why did he go through all the effort of putting those hired guns into Smashing Pumpkins costumes and make-up?
 
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Re: PUMPKINS PARIS, FIRST IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2007, 09:17:00 am »
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  And you say he's not doing it for the money...      :eek:      
 
 Pitchfork link
I suppose there's a point there if there are enough dumbasses that are going to buy each version for the one track.  But to act like this is a new thing is a silly.  In the UK each single usually comes out in about 2 cd versions and couple of 7" with an extra track that the hardcore scoop up to have everything.  But if you're not a collector and just want the tunes, one of the plus sides of having itunes available is that you can just buy the extra tracks, as it will inevitably show up on at least one of the US, UK, or Canada Itunes stores.  Of course the AAC version blows compared to ripping full size off a CD but that will hopefully be remedied as storage becomes increasingly cheaper and they stop butchering downloads.
 
 As far as this being proof of a money grab, I still don't buy it.  The group of people that will even be cognizant of there being multiple versions, and then follow up by buying them is so phuckin small that the additional revenue by exploiting those knumbskulls will be minimal and I have to believe the number crunchers know that but this a vanity play more than anything else.
 
  The larger point about the state of indie resellers is far more troubling but even if he went the other route and made the exclusive versions ONLY available to indie resellers does anyone with a brain in their head actually think it would make a difference to the reality that these stores are heading for extinction in any case?  Billy is not helping the situation but to think that one album is going to destroy independent resellers is ridiculous.
 
 But it does add fuel to the fire of those that already think he's a douche bag, and I don't think ANYTHING short of him showing up and blowing each and everyone in that camp on a continual basis would change that.
 
 Again they are playing nearly two dozen shows in small venues charging people less than $25 per show when without question they could have charged four times that and had the same response or played slightly larger venues and made even more.  
 
 But if this record release strategy means that he's an asshole in the eyes of many what's new? I'm not looking for a best friend, so let him be an arrogant asshole...um talented arrogant asshole. I just want good music and couldn't give two shits about the rest.

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« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2007, 09:18:00 am »
Hate to say I agree with Pitchfork, but I do. That is just nonsense. If Billy really cared about the fans and not their almight dollar, he would have released those tracks for separate purchase on iTunes. As if he needed to sell more records...he did pretty well for himself in the 1990's.

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« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2007, 09:27:00 am »
Bingo.  Or at the very least allowed some sort of exclusive download from his website like Wilco do with their records.  Oh well.  
 
 
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 If Billy really cared about the fans and not their almight dollar, he would have released those tracks for separate purchase on iTunes.

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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2007, 09:29:00 am »
That is primarily because CD's in the UK are expensive.
 
 
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  But to act like this is a new thing is a silly.  In the UK each single usually comes out in about 2 cd versions and couple of 7" with an extra track that the hardcore scoop up to have everything.