Is the RIAA suing you?

[markie]

Originally posted by myuman:
   

Originally posted by markie:
 
 I do believe people and companies should profit from their creations.

Agreed... but the haggling here is really about the amount.   [/b]

I dont see it. these items are not necessities. You only get what you want and can afford to buy. Like GGW has been saying all along.

[mankie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
 Maybe they could listen to it on the radio?

they could if i was one of the 8 bands they actually play on the radio. [/b]

You could go to Ft. Reno and such places.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 I was just stating that if i downloaded a song and then liked it, which caused me to go to a show or buy a CD of that band, then I "stole" from them.  But that "stealing" is also the reason i have purchased a CD or ticket.  hence, the gray area for this subject.

what the riaa, along with others on this board, is saying is there is no "grey" area. just because loads of people have done it dosen't make it right.
 
 it's shame there aren't more artist like tim burgess out there.  he's making available five of his songs from his solo record available to listen to.  and download if you happen to know how to retrieve them from your cache.  now is it illegal to have those files on my machine because i pulled them outta of my cache?

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Well, if didnt "steal" all of the songs i stole, then i wouldnt know about a lot of the bands that i have paid to go see or eventually bought thier CD.   so....ok, i wont steal, but then i wont buy thier album or see thier show. NOW whos losing money...there is a gray area in this argument here...its not black and white stealing/shoplifting, you cant compare it to that.

Well, the manufacturers and distributors of [insert any product here] are not marketing their product to me in the most efficient manner, therefore I am justified in stealing their [insert any product here] from them and distributing [insert any product here] on my own without giving them any compensation.
 
 Sorry, that argument still holds no water.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by markie:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  [
 What happens if you buy the CD and then download a song from it, that must be legal?

I was just stating......[/b]

I know I was trying to highlight the greyness.
 
 For example if they caught you file downloading, but then when they came round your house they found you owned all the CDs for those files, is that illegal? [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 
   lol....that would be funny. not sure why you would download a song you already have.  Also, what about all of those people that share misnamed files...is that illegal too?

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Wait. before i look like an evil file sharer...i dont have files available for upload on my computer.  If someone would like to upload from me , they must contact me first. I WILL share, but not at will.

Translation:  I only distribute [insert any stolen item here] to people that contact me and tell me that they want [insert any stolen product here].
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 And i am on Kazaa like once every other week for like an hour....i get most of my stuff from Emusic.
 just to clarify...

Translation:  I only steal a little, so it's not really stealing.....just to clarify.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 

Well, the manufacturers and distributors of [insert any product here] are not marketing their product to me in the most efficient manner, therefore I am justified in stealing their [insert any product here] from them and distributing [insert any product here] on my own without giving them any compensation.
 
 Sorry, that argument still holds no water. [/b]

But is going to a show after listening to a downloaded song "not any compensation" ?  if i download 3 songs from a band, like them, and then pay $10 to see thier show, i call that...compensation.  
 
  The problem with your arguement is that you are stubborn  

[ggw]

Originally posted by myuman:
 Agreed... but the haggling here is really about the amount.  We pretty much have a concensus that 10 dollars will do it.  Sure, the artists I guess could charge a $1000, but then I will be more inclined to use hardware that actually reads the portion of the cd that I do own, and share only that portion with others.

Translation:  If I don't like the price of [insert any product here] then I am justified in stealing [insert any product here] and distributing it without compensating the rightful owner.  If the owner of [insert any product here] doesn't like it, he can either accept the price I am offering him or accept that I'm just going to take it.
 
 
 Face it dude, just because it's music and you do it on your computer doesn't mean you are any better or different than the common thief on the street.  I'm sure the common mugger has a clear conscience as well.

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 But is going to a show after listening to a downloaded song "not any compensation" ?  if i download 3 songs from a band, like them, and then pay $10 to see thier show, i call that...compensation.  
 
  The problem with your arguement is that you are stubborn    

If Honda doesn't allow me to test drive one of their cars, chances are I'm not going to buy one and they are going to lose out on my purchase.  But if Honda doesn't allow me to test drive the car. it doesn't make it ethical or legal for me to steal one off the lot.
 
 The problem with my argument is that I am right    
 
 (The other problem is that we are talking about music, which people like yourself are very passionate about (rightfully so) and will often go to great lengths to get.  But in the end, that passion doesn't mean that stealing isn't stealing.)

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 But is going to a show after listening to a downloaded song "not any compensation" ?  if i download 3 songs from a band, like them, and then pay $10 to see thier show, i call that...compensation.  
 
  The problem with your arguement is that you are stubborn      

If Honda doesn't allow me to test drive one of their cars, chances are I'm not going to buy one and they are going to lose out on my purchase.  But if Honda doesn't allow me to test drive the car. it doesn't make it ethical or legal for me to steal one off the lot.
 
 The problem with my argument is that I am right      
 
 (The other problem is that we are talking about music, which people like yourself are very passionate about (rightfully so) and will often go to great lengths to get.  But in the end, that passion doesn't mean that stealing isn't stealing.) [/b]

your pig headedness astounds me!  I spend $50 or more every week on music whether its shows or CDs...I work in a damn record store helping people select music they will like, and so I download some songs so that i can hear whats new and help me decide what to buy and what shows to go to...it may be stealing but you placing me or others just like me in the same category as a mugger or a car thief is kind of ludicrous dont you think?

[sonickteam2]

oh and that "Translation" thing, is really lame and you should stop it cause it's just tacky.

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 your pig headedness astounds me!  I spend $50 or more every week on music whether its shows or CDs...I work in a damn record store helping people select music they will like, and so I download some songs so that i can hear whats new and help me decide what to buy and what shows to go to...it may be stealing but you placing me or others just like me in the same category as a mugger or a car thief is kind of ludicrous dont you think?

Not at all.  You are taking something that doesn't belong to you (stealing) and using it for your benefit.

[mankie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 

 it may be stealing but you placing me or others just like me in the same category as a mugger or a car thief is kind of ludicrous dont you think?
 
 [/b]

I'm not..but you are just like a low-life petty shop lifter.

[ggw]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  oh and that "Translation" thing, is really lame and you should stop it cause it's just tacky.

Translation:  Your devastatingly effective debating tactics are rapidly wearing down my lame excuses.

[Celeste]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 your pig headedness astounds me!  I spend $50 or more every week on music whether its shows or CDs...I work in a damn record store

so, don't you get promotional pre-release samples?