anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Good god, I went for a ten-block walk to nowhere at the height of the storm just to avoid going stir crazy!  

[J'Mal]

If you can't walk ten blocks because there's a little snow on the ground, you don't deserve to see your favorite, or any other, band.  What the hell is wrong with you?<P>I know lots of people who had to walk in the same weather over ten blocks to get to work, to get to metro (hahaha), or, like me, just to walk the dog (who likes the snow, but doesn't listen to ladytron).<BR>

[Urbansprite]

this is really very simple.  in addition to all of the valid explanations presented by the club (which i have to say guys - i don't miss at all!), tickets are contracts.  most of the people bitching probably lack the life experience to realize that they enter into such contracts every day.  need someone to fix your pipes?  that service form you sign has a whole lotta small type on the back.  by signing, you are agreeing to those terms.  if you don't - no fixed pipes.  plane tickets are contracts - agree to the small type on there or you don't fly.  credit card slips, metrobus tokens, sending something by FedEX - all contracts with terms you need to agree to.  <P>now you don't think about it 99% of the time because usually things go as planned.  but when the few instances surface that they don't (which is why such terms are furnished to you in the first place), you can't whine and say you didn't know.  no one hid the cancellation terms from you.  they are available through many means, and in fact are handed to you.  furthermore, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to buy the tickets.  you entered into the agreement willingly.  <P>so just shut up and be glad that you almost always get exactly what you want, and every now and again - under exceptional circumstances - you'll get the shit end of the stick.  that's just the way it is, and the sooner you learn the rules, the faster you will be able to be a viable force in life instead of an ignorant wanker.<P>oh and by the way - the club should not have to apologize for being a business.  taking care of their patrons is a very important aspect of that operation, and something that they do exceptionally well.  but operating on a smart economic system is imperative as well if you want such a quality venue to stick around.  that should be of particular importance to those of you under 21 as it is a rare thing in this country when a club cares enough about their patrons to mandate that shows be all ages since they can make more money by packing the club with those that can consume alcohol.<p>[This message has been edited by Urbansprite (edited 02-21-2003).]

[dulcinea]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doctor Doom:<BR><B>Good god, I went for a ten-block walk to nowhere at the height of the storm just to avoid going stir crazy!    </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes! I seriously thought about moving out of my dorm and into a hole in the snow. <P>I've been trapped at uni for pretty much an entire week. It's actually kind of amusing because they can't plow hardly anywhere unless people move their cars, but people can't move their cars because they're stuck in two feet of snow. I guess it's better than at my boyfriend's college, which is much smaller, so if you couldn't move your car, they just took your keys and moved it "for" you. Now that was a disaster. I was lucky cause it rained enough here that I actually didn't have to dig my truck out at all. Just had to have a little patience.  <P>As for relevance to the topic as a whole... shit happens, man. I mean, maybe the show should have been cancelled, but it's not like they could have just made it up the next day or something. They're on TOUR. they have places they are obligated to play, after all. <P>Suck it up, and move on. It HAPPENED. Bitching about it now doesn't exactly change anything. It sucks, of course. I mean, if this happened at, for example, Toad the Wet Sprocket... I would cry like a baby. But then I would get on with my life. <P>No point in dwelling on it, really. <P>

[bikerchickdc]

Originally posted by BookerT:<BR>i see no reason why the club can't let you exchange an unused ticket to this show for an equally priced ticket to an upcoming show. <P>9:30 pays the band a flat rate to play and bases their ticket prices on covering the band's fee with projected attendance.  There's no discount if the show does not sell well, and there is no bonus to the band if the show sells better than expected.  This is how it's done in other venues like 9:30 as well.  Extending a free ticket to those who got snowed in just takes money off the club's bottom line.  The only time the 9:30 does NOT pay the band is if the band does not play.  SO if anyone has to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at the band.  More likely at their management. 9:30 is really one of the most professionally run operations of its type in the country. Don't be pissed at them for wanting to run a business and (god forbid) turn a profit.<P>By the way, I can also see the band's side on this one.  I'm out a pile of money for a missed day at work.  (I wanted to and was able to get to work but the office was shut down so I didn't even get the option.)  It's completely unreasonable to expect the band to take the hit on this one. <P>I was out for a bit both Sunday and Monday of that weekend and the bars and restaurants downtown seemed to be doing a brisk business.  Guess the people who wanted to be out found a way to get there and the people who wanted to be home stayed home.  It all depends on how bad you want something.  I guess 9:30 wanted to honor their contract and the band wanted to get paid more than the loser who started this thread wanted to get out of the house.<p>[This message has been edited by bikerchickdc (edited 02-23-2003).]

[Seth Hurwitz]

not really much to add here, as everyone on both sides seems to get it.<P>the day of the show, we had more people calling  that wanted the show to happen than did not. if we thought nobody would have gone, we would have told the band sorry, we're glad you made it here, but nobody else is going to. I'm not sure what we would have done about paying them if we decided to cancel.<P>the night before, for example, Vince Gill had already loaded in when we told them it just wasn't possible. fortunately, they had some open dates on their schedule and common sense ruled but, again, I don't know what would have happened had they sat there and demanded to be paid because they were ready to play.<P>the vast majority of people that bought tickets to Ladytron showed up, by the way.<P>but, as I'm not a big fan of people that can't tolerate have-nots, I have to sympathize with people that couldn't get here. in that regard, I'd like to offer them tickets to another show. call Julie down at the club with your story and she will take care of you.<P>I would have done this a week ago but I was having too much fun watching people take up for the club.

[markie]

Oh Seth you spoilsport, dont blame us now that you have vindicated the whiners.<P>I expect all sorts of whines from now on.<P>Next time I think a performer isnt up to scratch or didnt play long enough I am going to piss and moan for months.

[muleboy]

I *hate* it that I have such nice things to say about the club, and about Seth, but here goes:<P>I'm not surprised Seth is helping out folks who got screwed by the snow [nor am I surprised that he kept them waiting], because the guy actually LIKES WHAT HE's DOING!  He likes putting on shows.  He likes it when people have a good time. Sure, he's a tough businessman who'll screw you to a wall if he has to, but hasn't anybody else gone to a show and seen him sneak out on the little balcony, or cruise the floor, because it's a *cool show* and he got it to happen?<P>I watched him checking out the Razz and the Monkees, and I thought he was gonna cum on himself.  I think I saw the same thing the first time Cheap trick played there.  Or a couple of early hip hop shows.<P>As clubs go, 9:30 blows and sucks because it is big and successful.  We all wanna hate the establishment, man!  But, truth be told, it's a fabulously fun, exciting, safe [I know; *that's* not very rock and roll either, man], cheap place to see some amazing shit.<P><BR>Um, can I get a gig, man? . . .

[markie]

can we all join "your" club?<P>

[kosmo vinyl]

for once markie is so money... i've been brown nosing the wrong people round these parts.  so no more kosmo luv for eddie, thatguy, etc.  and selling my soul to evilsatan was just about the biggest mistake i ever made!

[Henry Dark]

Who is this Seth fellow? I though ThatGuy was the owner of the 9:30 club.

[Urbansprite]

you mean you got money for your soul, kosmo?  damn it!  evilsatan told me it was a "family tradition" back in 1996.  fucker.  <P>hey eddie - what are my chances of getting my soul back?

[Seth Hurwitz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by markie:<BR><B>Oh Seth you spoilsport, dont blame us now that you have vindicated the whiners.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>now, come on, you all know me well enough to know I don't give in to whining.<P>I just think that snow thing was bad enough where some people actually couldn't get to the show if they wanted to and I don't need to take their money and not deliver anything in return.<P>has nothing to do with what they said about it.

[megs]

as one of the "whiners," i would like to profusely thank you, seth. <BR>i am one of the luckless ones that had a ticket for ladytron and got totally trapped by the snow. there was absolutely no way for me to have made it in for the gig, no safe way anyway. <BR>i, and probably everyone else who wasn't able to make it to the show, am profusely grateful for what you're doing. it's nice to know that someone in the club business is concerned with all their patrons. <BR>thanks bunches.

[indiEmily]

If you feel names such as cockchowder are appropriate then that's your deal... however, as overly pc as this may sound, I realllly do not think that terms such as "retard" and "get aids" are even remotely funny. I've done volunteer work with people who are mentally retarded and have great sympathy for those that have aids, and this really bothers me. I'm sure you're not bad people and I'm not trying to start anything, but when I read get aids my jaw dropped. That's one of those things, unlike cockcough or whatever it was, that cannot or should not ever be construed as funny or appropriate in the context it was used. And poorlulu, I know retard wasn't meant in a malicious way, many people unfortunately use that term. However, I've never heard anyone else use marvin_mooney 's wish for someone get aids because it is so blatantly offensive, but whatever if you think thatâ??s funnyâ?¦ think before you write/speak.