930 Forums
=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on August 14, 2009, 12:31:44 am
-
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/13/vick.eagles/index.html
"Michael Vick, recently reinstated to the NFL after being freed from federal prison after a dogfighting-related conviction, has signed a two-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles, according to his agent, Joel Segal.
...
The Eagles are scheduled to play Vick's former team, the Falcons, in Atlanta on December 6."
woa.
-
You know, I'm a dog owner and an animal lover and I regularly give money and supplies to the ASPCA and local rescue outfits and I think Vick is basically a despicable human being, but conceptually I can't deny that the guy served the sentence that was passed on him and, as such, has a right to come back and earn a living in his chosen pursuit. The best outcome would be for my beloved Giants defense to deliver a Theismann (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1iVRRu6w0) on Vick in his first game back.
-
You know, imo, in the grand scheme of things, what Dante Stallworth did (or even Ray Lewis) is like a billion times worse than Michael Vick. And I'm a vegetarian pet-owner.
-
Vick did awful shit, but he served his time, seems remorseful, and wants to play football again. I have no problem with that. And I'll agree that Stallworth did do something worse.
If a team was, and apparently is, willing to sign Vick, then by all means, go ahead. I'm interested in how the whole situation goes over once the season starts.
-
I would've thought the Cleveland Browns were a better fit for him.
I hope PETA are at every Eagles game causing disruptions..he's a maggot and should never have been signed by any team simply on principle, but it's a team from Philly so no big surprise there eh?
-
Yeah Vick who has paid the penalty prescribed by society should be banned from everything and not allowed to do shit, but Stallworth who knowingly drove drunk and killed a man should get a month in jail and no one is upset about it. If you think people should protest why don't you grow a set and go do it yourself and not rely on someone else to do it? I hope that anyone who disrupts a game gets sent to jail and when they get out they ought to lose their right to work and earn a living.
-
I hope PETA are at every Eagles game causing disruptions..
I think we've recently seen what happens to folks who cause "disruptions" outside of stadiums in Philadelphia. God forbid they should so much as spill somebody's beer in the process. Best of luck to them.
-
The guy Donte Stallworth hit consciously put himself in the path of a moving vehicle. Whether the driver is drunk or not you don't run out in front of a car at night. I'm by no means defending driving drunk or hitting someone, but the situation isn't quite as heinous as it sounds.. it is despicable and he did get off easy. It was by no means a methodical act.
However, dogs on the other hand, have no choice in the matter. They don't have the free will to be like "you know, this Mike Vick guy is a douche, I don't want to live at his house and have him be my owner anymore" and leave. As such, it's your responsibility to properly care for any life form that you choose to own. So, to not only purchase hundreds of dogs, abuse them and kill them over the course of several years merely for entertainment, I believe is a far more vicious act. Fuck Michael Vick, he's a special kind of piece of shit that should never see anything even remotely resembling public attention ever again.
-
I think Vick is basically a despicable human being, but conceptually I can't deny that the guy served the sentence that was passed on him and, as such, has a right to come back and earn a living in his chosen pursuit.
yup - if not, what are we telling people? once you go to jail, you have no chance of redeeming yourself? we have enough of a problem of people emerging from jail as worse criminals than they went in. let's give them some hope.
I would've thought the Cleveland Browns were a better fit for him.
huh? we're talking a different kind of football here - the runney-catchey kind ;) i think philly is a strong fit, lots of parallels can be drawn between mcnabb's style and vick's. when mcnabb goes down to injury - like he does almost every season - the team won't have to radically change their game style. smart move, IMO.
I hope PETA are at every Eagles game causing disruptions..he's a maggot and should never have been signed by any team simply on principle, but it's a team from Philly so no big surprise there eh?
so he should be paying forever? there is good money to be made in dog fighting... if he can't earn a living as he wants, let's push him back into the arms of illegal activity. brilliant thinking there, mank.
I hope that anyone who disrupts a game gets sent to jail and when they get out they ought to lose their right to work and earn a living.
LOL. good point.
-
the browns have the dog pound is frank's joke, i assume
the man's lost $100m and spent a year and a half in prison. for me, thats enough. its not like we're giving him top level pentagon security codes here
-
Two things:
1) I think he was joking about the Browns, since, uh:
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cleveland_browns_dawg.png)
2) Is Frank Gallagher mankie? When did that happen???
I would've thought the Cleveland Browns were a better fit for him.
huh? we're talking a different kind of football here - the runney-catchey kind ;) i think philly is a strong fit, lots of parallels can be drawn between mcnabb's style and vick's. when mcnabb goes down to injury - like he does almost every season - the team won't have to radically change their game style. smart move, IMO.
I hope PETA are at every Eagles game causing disruptions..he's a maggot and should never have been signed by any team simply on principle, but it's a team from Philly so no big surprise there eh?
so he should be paying forever? there is good money to be made in dog fighting... if he can't earn a living as he wants, let's push him back into the arms of illegal activity. brilliant thinking there, mank.
-
The guy Donte Stallworth hit consciously put himself in the path of a moving vehicle. Whether the driver is drunk or not you don't run out in front of a car at night. I'm by no means defending driving drunk or hitting someone, but the situation isn't quite as heinous as it sounds.. it is despicable and he did get off easy. It was by no means a methodical act.
However, dogs on the other hand, have no choice in the matter. They don't have the free will to be like "you know, this Mike Vick guy is a douche, I don't want to live at his house and have him be my owner anymore" and leave. As such, it's your responsibility to properly care for any life form that you choose to own. So, to not only purchase hundreds of dogs, abuse them and kill them over the course of several years merely for entertainment, I believe is a far more vicious act. Fuck Michael Vick, he's a special kind of piece of shit that should never see anything even remotely resembling public attention ever again.
I would argue drunk driving is as wanton and shows just as much disregard for life as dog fighting. And the bigger point I was trying to make is causing the death of one person is way way way worse then causing the death of a thousand dogs, imo. I mean, there's like a hundred NFL guys who beat their wives, or drunk drove, or whatever that was worse than dog fighting.
-
Intent is a huge part of assessing the severity of a crime. If some NRA idiot is shooting at stop signs and accidentally kills someone, he's an asshole and deserves to go to jail, but if someone puts a gun to someone's head and pulls the trigger in cold blood, that is a worse crime, because he *meant* to kill.
Likewise, a drunk driver who kills someone, no matter how reckless they were, didn't mean to kill them. Yes, they deserved jail time, and I actually think a month is much too short. But without the intent, it's in a different category.
So let's be clear about what Michael Vick did. He wasn't just "dogfighting." Vick and his buddies killed dogs that didn't perform by hanging from trees, electrocution with cattle prods, and slamming their bodies to the ground, forcibly drowning them. They admitted to deliberately starving them to make them fight harder.
If you think this is no big deal, next time you see a dog, try to imagine yourself doing those things to him.
That kind of cruel, psycho crap is not a mistake that you express remorse for and move on with your life. You are either the kind of person that does that kind of thing, or you aren't. If Vick was that kind of person, then he still is. And playing in the NFL isn't just "making a living," it's a position of privilege with a huge income and fan adulation. He does not deserve that.
There are plenty of examples in professional sports where people have been allowed to come back who shouldn't have -- Tyson the rapist, for example. But that doesn't make it any more right in Vick's case.
-
Doom, I was about to type the same...ditto and thanks!
-
That kind of cruel, psycho crap is not a mistake that you express remorse for and move on with your life.
oh shit, i didn't realize that someone here was privy to vick's rehabilitation progress.
-
That kind of cruel, psycho crap is not a mistake that you express remorse for and move on with your life.
oh shit, i didn't realize that someone here was privy to vick's rehabilitation progress.
I'm sorry that the facts of Vick's extreme cruelty might have interfered with your sports entertainment needs.
-
Along with intent, another huge part of assessing a crime is what the actual crime is. And there's no way killing a thousand dogs at all relates in my mind to killing a human. I can intentionally jaywalk, and just because I did it intentionally doesn't mean its somehow equatable to accidentally committing vehicular homicide. There has to be some balance between intent and the action itself, and for my money, I just cannot put Michael Vick as one of the worst people in recent NFL history.
-
Okay, toughguycell ;), you are right, no one can know. Obviously, it's an outside assessment. A year and a half in jail perhaps humbled, rehabilitated, changed for better, or even could have angered him more. Who knows? Being the other side of the devil's advocate - deliberate torture of a living thing for a continuous period, takes time to rid that behavior and thinking out of your system. I'm guessing he had a bit of anger built up...Is he in current anger therapy or similar? (I'm not asking snarky, I'm really asking)
-
Along with intent, another huge part of assessing a crime is what the actual crime is. And there's no way killing a thousand dogs at all relates in my mind to killing a human. I can intentionally jaywalk, and just because I did it intentionally doesn't mean its somehow equatable to accidentally committing vehicular homicide. There has to be some balance between intent and the action itself, and for my money, I just cannot put Michael Vick as one of the worst people in recent NFL history.
Right... but lots of people get away with con games, too. Doesn't mean Madoff should go free.
-
That kind of cruel, psycho crap is not a mistake that you express remorse for and move on with your life.
oh shit, i didn't realize that someone here was privy to vick's rehabilitation progress.
I'm sorry that the facts of Vick's extreme cruelty might have interfered with your sports entertainment needs.
nothing to do with entertainment needs, everything to do with giving folks the benefit of the doubt and a chance at redemption. maybe that's openness and generosity that is beyond you.
i'm not a fan of vick, although i am a fan of the sport. apparently i don't share your self-confidence in knowing what's going on in someone's head - especially after they've been incarcerated and in therapy for almost 2 years.
Okay, toughguycell ;), you are right, no one can know.
cute :) no, there are people who know - lawyers, parole officers, therapists, etc. but i'm fairly certain none of them are on this board.
Is he in current anger therapy or similar? (I'm not asking snarky, I'm really asking)
i would be shocked if he didn't undergo some type of therapy, anger or otherwise. but i don't know.
-
That kind of cruel, psycho crap is not a mistake that you express remorse for and move on with your life.
oh shit, i didn't realize that someone here was privy to vick's rehabilitation progress.
I'm sorry that the facts of Vick's extreme cruelty might have interfered with your sports entertainment needs.
nothing to do with entertainment needs, everything to do with giving folks the benefit of the doubt and a chance at redemption. maybe that's openness and generosity that is beyond you.
i'm not a fan of vick, although i am a fan of the sport. apparently i don't share your self-confidence in knowing what's going on in someone's head - especially after they've been incarcerated and in therapy for almost 2 years.
Okay, toughguycell ;), you are right, no one can know.
cute :) no, there are people who know - lawyers, parole officers, therapists, etc. but i'm fairly certain none of them are on this board.
Is he in current anger therapy or similar? (I'm not asking snarky, I'm really asking)
i would be shocked if he didn't undergo some type of therapy, anger or otherwise. but i don't know.
I can forgive many things, but not torturing animals for pleasure.
It's wonderful that you're so open and forgiving towards someone who engaged in such pointless cruelty, though. So I assume you would say the same thing about someone who tortured kids? With adequate therapy, deserving of a chance not just at redemption, but a multimillion dollar career?
-
Right... but lots of people get away with con games, too. Doesn't mean Madoff should go free.
I guess I don't understand how Michael Vick is "going free" in your mind. He spent two years in jail. He lost over 50 million dollars. The guy has been punished. People can disagree about whether certain punishments fit the crimes, but he's hardly gone unscathed.
-
I can forgive many things, but not torturing animals for pleasure.
It's wonderful that you're so open and forgiving towards someone who engaged in such pointless cruelty, though. So I assume you would say the same thing about someone who tortured kids? With adequate therapy, deserving of a chance not just at redemption, but a multimillion dollar career?
First, someone who tortured kids is not getting a 2 year sentence, it's probably more like 30.
But yes: if a brilliant hedgefund manager tortures kids and goes to jail and after their 30 year prison sentence they are still of sound enough mental faculties to manage a hedgefund again, they should completely be allowed to make millions doing so. They have paid their debt to society. This is all rotten eggs on your part over Vick making alot of money which is childish. I learned when I was like 8 that the most morally upright people are almost never the wealthiest. Vick has a certain set of rare skills that makes him valuable at something. To deny him the right to use those FOREVER after he's fulfilled his sentence is ridiculous. It's un-American even. What do you suggest, he have to wear a scarlet letter the rest of his life. It's like you're letting your emotions override everything the criminal justice system and American values stand for.
And I say this as someone who is neither a Michael Vick nor an NFL fan. I don't even watch the Super Bowl anymore, the NFL has bastardized the fine sport of football so badly.
-
Likewise, a drunk driver who kills someone, no matter how reckless they were, didn't mean to kill them. Yes, they deserved jail time, and I actually think a month is much too short. But without the intent, it's in a different category.
There are plenty of examples in professional sports where people have been allowed to come back who shouldn't have -- Tyson the rapist, for example. But that doesn't make it any more right in Vick's case.
this guy got 90 days, 4 years probation and 1000 hours of community service for killing a woman whilst drunk driving. . .and was suspended for 8 games.
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0S0205XpIVKrEcANfejzbkF/SIG=137198h9a/EXP=1250358743/**http%3A//content.clearchannel.com/Photos/sports_photos/NFL/Rams/leonard_little_GI.jpg)
-
sweetie, I concur w/ you - I did mean this board wouldn't know his current rehab status / state of mind. You state (above) he's been in therapy for the past 2 yrs., but then you don't know either...It may come across as I'm petty on details, perhaps we both are, but I'm not attacking you. :-*
-
deserving of a chance not just at redemption, but a multimillion dollar career?
Vick has a certain set of rare skills that makes him valuable at something...
...the NFL has bastardized the fine sport of football so badly.
His crime charges emotions, but I'm not clouded by it. What you say above also really frustrates me - I agree with you. (but that's a whole other can of worms for me - exploitation/$/high paid careers/crime/blah, etc. etc.)
-
Whether or not he is forgiven isn't the issue at all. And if forgiveness was the issue, it is not our forgiveness that matters here. It's the people in the NFL writing the checks but any idiot knows that compassion and morality are not currencies they deal in.
That said, people from all walks of life and across all vocations commit crimes, go to jail, and upon their release resume said vocations. There are obvious exceptions though. Say a Dr. does jailtime for gross neglegence, his license to practice will be revoked. If a crane operator get's loaded and kills a bunch of people he ain't gonna get a permit to operate a crane anytime soon. If a defense attorney is convicted of taking bribes from the prosection then he'll lose his license to practice. You could go on forever with examples like this. These are all positions that are some sort of public service and said crimes were committed while carrying out that public service, so in cases like this it makes obvious sense that those people should not be allowed to practice those professions.
Vick's crimes had nothing do with football, they had nothing to do with the integrity of the profession (and when i say integrity of football I mean his actions did not effect the outcome of games).
I don't like it anymore than the next guy. He's a dirtbag and I would not want him on my team. But I don't see any compelling reason that he shouldn't be allowed to play if someone is willing to pay him to do it. He's paid his debt to society. In no way am i commenting on whether or not that debt was just or not, but it's been paid.
-
The guy is a prick. There is a pattern of that type of behavior... The idea that "you move on" a la Pitino (who likes to write books about "leadership" on how to "live your life"), or Vick or whoever (Hamilton made a mistake?? Licking whipped cream of a chick's tits at a bar at 2 am when you have a wife and kids- who you've put through hell- isn't just a mistake its a sign of a very poor individual) .That you apologize and its in the past? You hit reset? These guys are just bad apples... Now of course the Eagles can hire a bad apple.... He should not be denied the chance to work... what is he supposed to do? Bad people have to earn a living too!
But its funny that 35% of Americans applying for jobs have to have their credit checked because supposedly it shows their "character" (and I don't see THEM getting a second chance if they've made a msitake or two!) and yet a guy who electrocuted dogs gets a couple of million bucks? I guess thats the society we live in..
I think Philly deserves him.. one more asshole in a city full of them.
-
at this point, i think its no longer about vick . . .but about Philly fans who are now forced to support Vick, whether they think he's a piece of sh*t or not
the nfl is ubiquitous and heavily ingrained in the community . . . and if you're a fan its in your blood . . .and if you're an Eagles fan AND dog lover disgusted by Vick you just got effed in the a . . .no matter what bs the league, tony dungy, lurie, and anyone else weaves - b/c if you despise what vick did, and then cheer for him b/c he scores td's for your team you're morally compromised . . .but the other option is to water down your love for your team which is another sh*tty option . . . then again, eagles fans strike as a self-loathing group that at this point expect the worst so this turn of events probably feels normal, like another McNabb breakdown in a crucial situation.
-
My prediction - Eagles fans will warm to Vick just like they did for Manny in L.A.
And they will sell a lot of jerseys.
http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Michael-Vick-Green-Reebok-NFL-Replica-Philadelphia-Eagles-Jersey-_914179131_PD.html
Wow that didn't take long.
P.S. Not comparing Vick to Manny, just sayin' is all.
-
I really only care about what effect this might have on my fantasy team.
-
And they will sell a lot of jerseys.
http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Michael-Vick-Green-Reebok-NFL-Replica-Philadelphia-Eagles-Jersey-_914179131_PD.html
Didn't click the link, but does it say "Mexico" on the back?
-
And they will sell a lot of jerseys.
http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Michael-Vick-Green-Reebok-NFL-Replica-Philadelphia-Eagles-Jersey-_914179131_PD.html
Didn't click the link, but does it say "Mexico" on the back?
Nope it says Vick with a big ol' #7. Somewhere in the world underpaid child laborers are wearing their little hands to the bone to fill all the orders coming in....
-
i feel bad for all future dogs. now future fuckheads will look at past tense michael vick and future tense rebounded career/we forgive you/let's keep the gravy train rolling/a ring and fantasy leagues are what's important here folks . . . and think, "wow there really is a future in exploiting animals because you know, look at michael vick."
plus the fact that throwing and catching a ball = a "career" to be debated on whether or not one deserves to have one . . . is fucking laughable. try having a "career" where you bust your ass just to pay bills, feed your family, etc....
-
plus the fact that throwing and catching a ball = a "career" to be debated on whether or not one deserves to have one . . . is fucking laughable. try having a "career" where you bust your ass just to pay bills, feed your family, etc....
We can't all be ditch diggers and shit sweepers. What would we watch on tv?
-
oprah ;D
-
plus the fact that throwing and catching a ball = a "career" to be debated on whether or not one deserves to have one . . . is fucking laughable. try having a "career" where you bust your ass just to pay bills, feed your family, etc....
What would we watch on tv?
(http://www.designersarewankers.com/userimages/copy_of_FreePorn.jpg)
-
A few more points.
First, cruelty to animals is a trait found in serial killers and other psychopaths. It's not normal behavior, and it's not something that a couple of years of therapy will change. It's not like being Catholic and going to confession, and all is forgiven. He was a torturer before, and he still is that today, even if he controls his impulses.
And while I can't read his mind, if someone does something awful and truly feels repentant about it, they do something to atone. I don't see him going to work to help abused animals.
I'm not saying he should rot in jail for life. He's done his time and that should be it as far as the law goes. But getting paid millions to throw a ball around is a privilege, and he does not deserve to return to a privileged station in life, either. Even more than what it says about Vick, I don't like what it says about our society that so many people are willing to brush over this just to get back to the game.
It sounds from initial reactions like a lot of Eagles fans are unhappy with this decision too... I hope they make their feelings known strongly, and I hope more people make the effort to reflect on the enormity of what Vick did, rather than dismissing it as "just dogfighting."
-
I agree with you in spirit, but this serial killer tangent is kinda ridiculous.
And this whole 'privilege' thing is stupid. Sure, playing in the NFL is a privilege. One granted by the commissioner and the owners who shell out the dollars. Privilege granted.
Oh and btw, not that it matters to me personally, Vick is working with HSUS on programs preaching against dog fighting to inner city youth. I don't know what amounts to atonement in peoples minds, but that's a start.
Don't get me wrong I think he's a shitbag, but all these whining arguments about him playing again just seem silly.
Skins have the Eagles at home on a monday night this year. One of my best friends has front row seats at the 50 yard line visitors side at Fed-Ex. Not the best place to watch a game, but definately the best place to heckle the visiting team cuz they are like 10 feet from you. I'll be at the Philly game and will probably get a giggle or two from all the taunts that are sure to be thrown at vick. I'll bet sideline security will be out the wazoo that game.
-
I agree with you in spirit, but this serial killer tangent is kinda ridiculous.
Yeah, he's really blowing away any desire any of us might have to continue having a civil discussion on the topic. We get it, he loves his puppy and killing a puppy is the same as raping children. Yeah, ok, buddy.
Just drop a hyperlink to doomlink and go already.
-
Yeah Vick who has paid the penalty prescribed by society should be banned from everything and not allowed to do shit, but Stallworth who knowingly drove drunk and killed a man should get a month in jail and no one is upset about it. If you think people should protest why don't you grow a set and go do it yourself and not rely on someone else to do it? I hope that anyone who disrupts a game gets sent to jail and when they get out they ought to lose their right to work and earn a living.
Wow!!!! you really need some anger management counselling, I mean seriously.
If you would like me to comment on Stallworth then why not start a thread about him fuckwit....this topic was referring to the dog murdering Vick.
If there was true justice then Vick would be put into a cage with a dozen rabid dogs and have beef dripping wiped all over his nuts.......just say'n.
From what I've been hearing on the radio today it seems the majority of Eagles fans aren't too happy about him being on the team either.
-
dogfighting . . . forum fighting. which is worse?
-
Yeah Vick who has paid the penalty prescribed by society should be banned from everything and not allowed to do shit, but Stallworth who knowingly drove drunk and killed a man should get a month in jail and no one is upset about it. If you think people should protest why don't you grow a set and go do it yourself and not rely on someone else to do it? I hope that anyone who disrupts a game gets sent to jail and when they get out they ought to lose their right to work and earn a living.
Wow!!!! you really need some anger management counselling, I mean seriously.
If you would like me to comment on Stallworth then why not start a thread about him fuckwit....this topic was referring to the dog murdering Vick.
If there was true justice then Vick would be put into a cage with a dozen rabid dogs and have beef dripping wiped all over his nuts.......just say'n.
From what I've been hearing on the radio today it seems the majority of Eagles fans aren't too happy about him being on the team either.
I don't need anything managed. For one thing I am not angered by this, I am more amused that someone would hold such moronic, holier than thou, and totally illogical views. There WAS justice. Society dictates what the penalty for ever crime is. Vick was found guilty, sentenced, and has served his time. If you or others feel so strongly that the prescribed punishment for doing what Vick did (or any other crime for that matter) get off you ass and get things changed. What Mike did was fucked up, no doubt about that. But he has indeed paid the full price that is called for. End of story.
-
Yeah Vick who has paid the penalty prescribed by society should be banned from everything and not allowed to do shit, but Stallworth who knowingly drove drunk and killed a man should get a month in jail and no one is upset about it. If you think people should protest why don't you grow a set and go do it yourself and not rely on someone else to do it? I hope that anyone who disrupts a game gets sent to jail and when they get out they ought to lose their right to work and earn a living.
Wow!!!! you really need some anger management counselling, I mean seriously.
If you would like me to comment on Stallworth then why not start a thread about him fuckwit....this topic was referring to the dog murdering Vick.
If there was true justice then Vick would be put into a cage with a dozen rabid dogs and have beef dripping wiped all over his nuts.......just say'n.
From what I've been hearing on the radio today it seems the majority of Eagles fans aren't too happy about him being on the team either.
I don't need anything managed. For one thing I am not angered by this, I am more amused that someone would hold such moronic, holier than thou, and totally illogical views. There WAS justice. Society dictates what the penalty for ever crime is. Vick was found guilty, sentenced, and has served his time. If you or others feel so strongly that the prescribed punishment for doing what Vick did (or any other crime for that matter) get off you ass and get things changed. What Mike did was fucked up, no doubt about that. But he has indeed paid the full price that is called for. End of story.
Fuck - Manson has been in prison for ever, about time we let him out too huh? After all, he didn't actually kill anybody or anything.
There's justice and then there's consequences, and the consequences for killing animals should not be offered the opportunity to make millions of dollars throwing a ball about 15 times a game, 16 games a year +- = 240 times a year. The only saving grace is that with all his evident talent only one team had such low morals to offer him a contract. Just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
If I had the inclination to attend the torture of such a tedious event I would make some form of protest but in my mind that would be 3 1/2 hours of my life thrown away.
I am more amused that someone would hold such moronic, holier than thou, and totally illogical views.
BTW - one of my pet peeves is people who think you're a holier than thou, illogical moron because you have different views than themselves......but there's plenty of those like you around, especially in DC at the moment
-
I don't get the whole 'he has a right to practice his profession' argument. If he were a lawyer, he'd be disbarred and couldn't practice his profession. I don't see why the National Football League can't hold players to the same standards that the Bar does. Guys like Vick and Little and Stallworth that sh*t in the proverbial pool should be subject to permanent banishment.
The NBA banned Michael Ray Richardson and Roy Tarpley (two of favorite players ever) for cocaine . . . something much less sketchy than the Bad Newz Kennelz operation
-
I don't get the whole 'he has a right to practice his profession' argument. If he were a lawyer, he'd be disbarred and couldn't practice his profession. I don't see why the National Football League can't hold players to the same standards that the Bar does. Guys like Vick and Little and Stallworth that sh*t in the proverbial pool should be subject to permanent banishment.
The NBA banned Michael Ray Richardson and Roy Tarpley (two of favorite players ever) for cocaine . . . something much less sketchy than the Bad Newz Kennelz operation
dude, that's easy. football is a multi-trillion dollar organization fueled by the same testosterone that fuels the government. it will never go away. it IS this country. bars and restaurants and schools (all levels) and stores and television and gyms and country music and beer and steroids and china and canada and maybe europe and chicken wings and potato chips with ranch dip and grilling hamburgers and saturday/sunday/monday night plus whatever nights college is on, and grandparents . . . . would all go out of business, thus crippling our country and our economy and our sperm count forever!!!!
-
we need a cat pic throwing a football ;D
-
we need a cat pic throwing a football ;D
you're so needy. ;D
(http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01153/38/19/1153329183_l.jpg)
-
classic ;D
-
dude, that's easy. football is a multi-trillion dollar organization fueled by the same testosterone that fuels the government. it will never go away. it IS this country. bars and restaurants and schools (all levels) and stores and television and gyms and country music and beer and steroids and china and canada and maybe europe and chicken wings and potato chips with ranch dip and grilling hamburgers and saturday/sunday/monday night plus whatever nights college is on, and grandparents . . . . would all go out of business, thus crippling our country and our economy and our sperm count forever!!!!
And you know what, Michael Vick IS America. Out of control with greed and bloodlust for years. Dogfighting was his Iraq war, and his bankruptcy was his recession. 23 months in jail (paralleling our economy) . . .and now he's back, filled with Hope and where - Philadelphia . . .birthplace of Freedom, the Declaration of Independence, and Rocky. Should we forgive Michael Vick? Should we cheer for his redemption? You're goddamm right partner. Unless you're a f*cking frog or communist or worse.
-
ok rambo ;D
-
And you know what, Michael Vick IS America. Out of control with greed and bloodlust for years. Dogfighting was his Iraq war, and his bankruptcy was his recession. 23 months in jail (paralleling our economy) . . .and now he's back, filled with Hope and where - Philadelphia . . .birthplace of Freedom, the Declaration of Independence, and Rocky. Should we forgive Michael Vick? Should we cheer for his redemption? You're goddamm right partner. Unless you're a f*cking frog or communist or worse.
goddamn i almost wanna stand up and salute that post.
(http://www.costumecats.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/painted.jpg)
but then i remember that while he she be given a second chance, vick is still an animal-abusing douche... so i'll just have another beer instead. as you were.
-
Dick's won't stock Vick jerseys
There is no Vick at Dick's.
A spokesman for Dick's Sporting Goods said yesterday that the chain will not stock Michael Vick's Eagles jersey until company officials "evaluate the reaction of Eagles fans."
Meanwhile, the NFLShop, the league's merchandizing arm, is offering several styles of Vick's gridiron apparel ? including a customizable jersey for dogs.
continued: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9961314/Dick%27s-won%27t-stock-Vick-jerseys
-
nice a vick jersey for a pit bull :o
-
Meanwhile, the NFLShop, the league's merchandizing arm, is offering several styles of Vick's gridiron apparel — including a customizable jersey for dogs.
Actually, my order for the Vick Dog-Jersey was temporarily suspended until further notice, and yes I have that kind of sense of humor. And no, I don't own a dog.
-
;D ;D ;D
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/22/has-vick-already-violated-the-terms-of-his-reinstatement/