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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Ardamus on March 06, 2011, 07:00:13 pm
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http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/03/06/why-fighting-at-the-dmv-awards-is-tragic-for-the-scene/ (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/03/06/why-fighting-at-the-dmv-awards-is-tragic-for-the-scene/)
What was supposed to have been an evening of celebration for the area's best hip-hop artists instead eroded into violence last night, when five or six fights erupted on the first and second floors of the Crystal City Hyatt Hotel in Arlington County during the fifth annual DMV Music Awards.
Det. Crystal Nosal, a spokesperson for the Arlington County Police Department, said that roughly 1,500 people attended the awards show. Because of the flood of 911 calls, the police department sent all of its cars on the street to the hotel, she said. Five people were taken local hospitals, including a Hyatt buffet worker, who was seen leaving an employee-only lounge holding a towel to his eye. Crystal City Hyatt General Manager Jean-Marc Dizard could not confirm where the worker was hit.
There were no arrests and an investigation is ongoing, Nosal said.
Unfortunately, the actions of a few have now left a black eye on a hip-hop scene still struggling to find its place as a nationally acknowledged music hub. And while the organizers' intentions were good and they aren't to blame for the fights, that doesn't hide the fact that this awards show was unruly the beginning.
Throughout, artists and other guests seemed more focused on socializing and showing off than respecting what was happening on stage. A near who's who of the DMV lined the walls of the Hyatt ballroom and walked the aisles (do you see that going on at The Grammy's?). Sure, there were 1,500 people there, but you'd never have known it, since so many people floated in and out of the ballroom during the ceremony. Simply put: The entire night was disrespectful.
Then the fights happened. Details are still hazy, but one witness told Arts Desk that he saw "five or six different skirmishes going on," with as many as 15 people beating up on one guy.
"They almost threw one guy over the balcony," said Tim Borland, a U.S. Army veteran staying at the Hyatt for a veterans convention. "It was awful. I would think there is probably some local gangs here who don't like each other."
That's one of my biggest concerns about last night's debacle. Last year's DMV Awards took place at the Hampton Inn Conference Center, in a hard-to-find industrial park in Prince George's County. This year, thanks to organizer Dre All Day and his team, the awards ceremony was held at a posh Hyatt hotel in a relatively ritzy part of the region. When I arrived, the first thing I noticed was a large number of elderly white people in the hotel lobby. But when you think "hip-hop," you think of young black people. To have an epic altercation surrounded by so many whites only reinforces negative stereotypes of African-Americans.
The DMV's music scene doesn't deserve to be relegated to a beat-up industrial park; it truly deserves better surroundings. After last night's incident, however, it's unclear how soon the awards show can bounce back from such a display. Sure, last night's Twitter dispatches offered a mixture of dismay and positive spin, but this debacle will not soon be forgotten, especially when it's time to plan next year's awards show.
I know a good portion of this board may not affiliate themselves with the hip hop scene in the area. But I figured I'd post this up for discussion and get some opinions on this. I was at the event and I have to say it was very sad and tragic for this to happen. Especially in VA. because they do not play around when things like this happen. State troopers showed up with riot gear and etc.
Video footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-dmJ8zAGnM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-dmJ8zAGnM)
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A large fight breaking out at a hiphop awards show?
Shocking.
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I would think there is probably some local gangs here who don't like each other.
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A large fight breaking out at a hiphop awards show?
Shocking.
No shit. Also, refuse to support this shit by refusing to refer to the area as the DMV. I don't and I cringe anytime I hear someone say DMV.
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i was thinking . . . man, since when does the dmv have awards shows? i know they hate their jobs like postal workers, so i guessed it was an attempt to make them feel loved and good at work. my bad.
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i'm just glad this isnt about mma
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so how long until vince gray is booted out of office?
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so how long until vince gray is booted out of office?
Booted out for what?
This is a city that elected Marion Barry to four terms as Mayor (including one post-prison) and a couple more on the City Council. He doesn't pay his taxes, he stalks women, gets kickbacks from contractors, and you know he still gets high. You think anybody is really going to "boot out" Vince Gray for turning a blind eye to some pimped-out SUVs or for giving away some cushy appointments in exchange for some favors? Reportedly, the latter isn't even illegal in DC.
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Such a shame, the area has bred some truly amazing artists in the hip hop scene and this just disappoints the shit out of me. A bunch of egomaniac's showing disrespect is just disgusting. And of course the stereotyping comes pouring in droves and it's just a shame that this had to happen.
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Unfortunately, you are 100% right.
Just more reasons I'm thankful to be a Virginia taxpayer instead of a DC taxpayer.
so how long until vince gray is booted out of office?
Booted out for what?
This is a city that elected Marion Barry to four terms as Mayor (including one post-prison) and a couple more on the City Council. He doesn't pay his taxes, he stalks women, gets kickbacks from contractors, and you know he still gets high. You think anybody is really going to "boot out" Vince Gray for turning a blind eye to some pimped-out SUVs or for giving away some cushy appointments in exchange for some favors? Reportedly, the latter isn't even illegal in DC.
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if you two care so much about this, why don't you two cozy suburbanites live and vote in the district rather than leaching $$ from the city core and bitching and moaning about its politics
so how long until vince gray is booted out of office?
Booted out for what?
This is a city that elected Marion Barry to four terms as Mayor (including one post-prison) and a couple more on the City Council. He doesn't pay his taxes, he stalks women, gets kickbacks from contractors, and you know he still gets high. You think anybody is really going to "boot out" Vince Gray for turning a blind eye to some pimped-out SUVs or for giving away some cushy appointments in exchange for some favors? Reportedly, the latter isn't even illegal in DC.
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No shit. The people who bitch and whine the most about DC are usually the vanilla wafers living out in Fairfax.
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The people who live in DC are the people who love paying high taxes to have shit heaped upon them.
To each their own, I guess.
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My deepest apologies for insulting your buds. Marion Barry and Vince Gray are fine upstanding men of the highest virtue. They are a fine reflection on both of you as well as your fair city. Thank you so much for the largess you have bestowed upon us mere vassals living outside your gilded walls. We are just lucky to live in the shadow of your blinding magnificence.
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Whoo sick burn bro
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what do people think is the reason for this kind of behavior at these kind of events or, if that is an unfair generalization, why do people have this impression?
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what do people think is the reason for this kind of behavior at these kind of events or, if that is an unfair generalization, why do people have this impression?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagger_Lee_Shelton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagger_Lee_Shelton)
Brian
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what do people think is the reason for this kind of behavior at these kind of events or, if that is an unfair generalization, why do people have this impression?
Lets hold the event at the club next year ;D
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what do people think is the reason for this kind of behavior at these kind of events or, if that is an unfair generalization, why do people have this impression?
I heard it all started because the Hyatt was charging 9 dollars for pub cans of Guinness this close to St. Patricks Day.
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No shit. The people who bitch and whine the most about DC are usually the vanilla wafers living out in Fairfax.
Wow! Was the last time you were out in Fairfax 25 years ago? My next door neighbors are from Ghana. The other side are from Korea, next to them Guatemala. The most 'vanilla wafer' in my hood are the lesbian couple with Nascar stickers on their pickup truck and jeep.
We never lose power, never have to boil our water, wait for our streets to be plowed, or have to enroll our kids in private schools to get a decent education.
Is 'bitch and whine' one of those ironic hipster phrases for laughing at other people?
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what do people think is the reason for this kind of behavior at these kind of events or, if that is an unfair generalization, why do people have this impression?
I heard it all started because the Hyatt was charging 9 dollars for pub cans of Guinness this close to St. Patricks Day.
POTW
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Gotta love the sarcasm and derailment of some of this thread. But this post right here sums up what I'm getting at:
Such a shame, the area has bred some truly amazing artists in the hip hop scene and this just disappoints the shit out of me. A bunch of egomaniac's showing disrespect is just disgusting. And of course the stereotyping comes pouring in droves and it's just a shame that this had to happen.
One thing about hip hop shows in this area is that they can be far and few between in comparison to other genres of music that get booked fairly often; in particularly rock music depending upon the venue. Venues might be fearful of the turnouts and reaction from the audiences they attract. But its not always the case. Even folks who did not have anything to do with the awards show will receive this perception of having shows where violence will be the end result. All because they are involved with the hip hop/rap genre. And trust me, more than enough people want to prevent things like this that happen that are within the hip hop community. I say this with no disrespect but......it may not mean much to some of you who go to indie rock shows and etc. who have no love for hip hop music. In particular, local hip hop music around here. But what DeathAbove1979 stated is the ultimate problem, it reinforces the stereotype that overshadows what other artists have worked hard to defeat.
Anyways, I only posted this as a form of awareness. Enjoyed the jokes and puns.
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Wow! Was the last time you were out in Fairfax 25 years ago? My next door neighbors are from Ghana. The other side are from Korea, next to them Guatemala. The most 'vanilla wafer' in my hood are the lesbian couple with Nascar stickers on their pickup truck and jeep.
We never lose power, never have to boil our water, wait for our streets to be plowed, or have to enroll our kids in private schools to get a decent education.
Is 'bitch and whine' one of those ironic hipster phrases for laughing at other people?
Yeah, but you still live in Fairfax. Which is enough for -4.
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But what DeathAbove1979 stated is the ultimate problem, it reinforces the stereotype that overshadows what other artists have worked hard to defeat.
The problem isn't the artists. It's the fans.
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a f*cking shame. it's sad when one group of people work hard to elevate something, especially art IMO, only to have the bad apples ruin it all with next to no effort. i'm sure there are a lot of people asking themselves "why bother".
Gotta love the sarcasm and derailment of some of this thread.
don't take it personally, it's what people here do. you could post a story about starving orphans with cancer of the eyeballs who are oppressed by heavy-handed police and made to work in mines... and someone would still make a wisecrack.
if anything, take the tangents as proof that this thread is taken as seriously as any other, no more and not less... which is as much as can be expected. a few people answered seriously, others made jokes. at least no one told you to shut up or take it elsewhere :)
and admit it - if i started a discussion about alcoholism amongst polka players, or the infighting within the honky-tonk scene, you'd give it a read but not take it quite as seriously as someone immersed in those scenes.
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But what DeathAbove1979 stated is the ultimate problem, it reinforces the stereotype that overshadows what other artists have worked hard to defeat.
The problem isn't the artists. It's the fans.
Nah, its both. Hip hop has an ego-driven work ethic embedded in its ways. Its kind of taken over how some people act. On top of that, fans feel like their opinions are worth more than what they are. You can look a lot of hip hop message boards and see these kids trash a lot of artists because they feel they can and most of them can hide their faces when doing so. Too much ego, not enough people being humble.
a f*cking shame. it's sad when one group of people work hard to elevate something, especially art IMO, only to have the bad apples ruin it all with next to no effort. i'm sure there are a lot of people asking themselves "why bother".
Gotta love the sarcasm and derailment of some of this thread.
don't take it personally, it's what people here do. you could post a story about starving orphans with cancer of the eyeballs who are oppressed by heavy-handed police and made to work in mines... and someone would still make a wisecrack.
if anything, take the tangents as proof that this thread is taken as seriously as any other, no more and not less... which is as much as can be expected. a few people answered seriously, others made jokes. at least no one told you to shut up or take it elsewhere :)
and admit it - if i started a discussion about alcoholism amongst polka players, or the infighting within the honky-tonk scene, you'd give it a read but not take it quite as seriously as someone immersed in those scenes.
Actually, I didn't take it personally at all. Its a shame because it was actually what expected for the most part. I made one slight joke about hipsters in tight jeans fighting one time at a rock show and everyone decided to jump on my case. So no one saying to take it elsewhere and etc., thats whats up. LOL. And nah, I wouldn't even say that shit about the honky-tonk scene.If I saw it, I'd read it more than likely and probably wouldn't post if there was nothing for me to say. You're right, I'm not involved in the honky-tonk scene (DC has one?) but that doesn't stop from reading about things that I may find interesting that I'm not a part of.
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But what DeathAbove1979 stated is the ultimate problem, it reinforces the stereotype that overshadows what other artists have worked hard to defeat.
The problem isn't the artists. It's the fans.
Nah, its both. Hip hop has an ego-driven work ethic embedded in its ways. Its kind of taken over how some people act. On top of that, fans feel like their opinions are worth more than what they are. You can look a lot of hip hop message boards and see these kids trash a lot of artists because they feel they can and most of them can hide their faces when doing so. Too much ego, not enough people being humble.
And this is what I hate. De La Soul would rap about talking to monkeys and fish, and now it's all about fuck everyone and look at how important I am. That's why Odd Future is refreshing to me because these are just... essentially kids rapping about stupid shit and clearly having fun with it, and no matter how disgusting some of the lyrics are, Tyler has so many moments of just...pouring his soul onto these songs. From his frustration for getting no love from blogs, to rapping about how much he hates his father, it's all right there and he's not shy about it. Biggie did it, Wayne did, and it seems hard to see any other people doing much. And it's not just about that 1 song on an album, it's about an entire library, not just about making number 1 hits with production by Timbaland or The Neptunes, of which I both love. I just think there's very little hear in hip hop these days and it's hard as shit to find it.
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Nah, its both. Hip hop has an ego-driven work ethic embedded in its ways. Its kind of taken over how some people act. On top of that, fans feel like their opinions are worth more than what they are. You can look a lot of hip hop message boards and see these kids trash a lot of artists because they feel they can and most of them can hide their faces when doing so. Too much ego, not enough people being humble.
Well, I do agree on the fact that there is a problem within Rap (Not hip-hop, the culture itself is not at fault) when it comes to those who create the art and those who judge it. I also understand your point on people talking bad about artist via the internet and feel safe due to anonymity, but that's the option you as an artist open yourself up to when you put your art on display for critics to critique, Because lets be honest.... What is the deference between a "Fan" and a "Hater" ???
The answer is truly, nothing. because when you get down to the basics of it, Both individuals are Critiquing an artist work. be it, for the good or for the bad. So I do not think that trash talking should be an issue, I have YET to find 1 artist that EVERYONE loves, it's natural to have haters and fans. Fan's opinion's are alot more valuable then the artist in which they are being opinionated about. and to prove this, take this into account.....
Today's "Rap Game", is centered around alot of negative lyric's, instrumentals that are high-paced and energetic, and a entire aura of "fast life". Back in the late 80's and early 90's it was "Conscious Rap" which was selling, record labels were booking and signing "Conscious Emcee's" but now it isn't about "Consciousness" no more, and the fan's are the dictators of that. If fan's stop today, and NEVER purchased another Lil Wayne Album I can put my bottom dollar on the line that 1 of 2 things may happen.
1). He just stop's rapping
2). He switches his style up, and start rapping the way the fan's want him to.
So on your view of fan opinions, they are very powerful with their words and their likes/dislikes. Fan's can either make or break you.
Now as far as the ego aspect, that's a tough one. All aspect's of human life, Especially within American Society is based on some dealings with one's Ego rather it be a Direct correlation or an Indirect one. When dealing with music (not just Rap) people display their ego's, some are more honest and genuine but for the most part (when rap is concerned) artist tend to boost their ego by painting their own histories, stories, plights, etc. in a brighter light then it should be in, or was in. If No rapper had Ego, then I doubt they would be interesting to listen to, and this not only goes for rappers but any musician as well.
This DMV 2011 Fight incident was an unfortunate one. because it paints DC-MD-VA in a negative light, and the crazy thing is that no one cared for a 2011 DMV awards until a fight broke out. Now alot of major publications are picking up on it and running with it, which says alot about how news publications make their name within the reporting/publication business. Negativity sells, and this is CLEARLY evident with the story of this event, and it is subtly shown (but also clearly evident) within main-stream rap music.
Fan's need to change to enforce a change on record producers, rappers and labels.
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You're right, I'm not involved in the honky-tonk scene (DC has one?) but that doesn't stop from reading about things that I may find interesting that I'm not a part of.
right, and this thread has had 540+ views... so people are reading and are learning, just not commentin' :)
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You're right, I'm not involved in the honky-tonk scene (DC has one?) but that doesn't stop from reading about things that I may find interesting that I'm not a part of.
right, and this thread has had 540+ views... so people are reading and are learning, just not commentin' :)
granted, half of these are GGW refreshing furiously to see if anyone responded to his DIS
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Along with being fabulously wiener-ish, he and Ford nicely embodied my original point.
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Five years ago I wouldn't have predicted it, but indeed its true. ggw and I are in the same gang.
Along with being fabulously wiener-ish, he and Ford nicely embodied my original point.
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Well you're both like 50 right?
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Still waiting for Seth to implement the AARP discount at the box office.
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I heard about the fight breaking out... it's unfortunate..
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Yeah but we appear to have kinda made up on page 3.
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Nah, its both. Hip hop has an ego-driven work ethic embedded in its ways. Its kind of taken over how some people act. On top of that, fans feel like their opinions are worth more than what they are. You can look a lot of hip hop message boards and see these kids trash a lot of artists because they feel they can and most of them can hide their faces when doing so. Too much ego, not enough people being humble.
Well, I do agree on the fact that there is a problem within Rap (Not hip-hop, the culture itself is not at fault) when it comes to those who create the art and those who judge it. I also understand your point on people talking bad about artist via the internet and feel safe due to anonymity, but that's the option you as an artist open yourself up to when you put your art on display for critics to critique, Because lets be honest.... What is the deference between a "Fan" and a "Hater" ???
The answer is truly, nothing. because when you get down to the basics of it, Both individuals are Critiquing an artist work. be it, for the good or for the bad. So I do not think that trash talking should be an issue, I have YET to find 1 artist that EVERYONE loves, it's natural to have haters and fans. Fan's opinion's are alot more valuable then the artist in which they are being opinionated about. and to prove this, take this into account.....
Today's "Rap Game", is centered around alot of negative lyric's, instrumentals that are high-paced and energetic, and a entire aura of "fast life". Back in the late 80's and early 90's it was "Conscious Rap" which was selling, record labels were booking and signing "Conscious Emcee's" but now it isn't about "Consciousness" no more, and the fan's are the dictators of that. If fan's stop today, and NEVER purchased another Lil Wayne Album I can put my bottom dollar on the line that 1 of 2 things may happen.
1). He just stop's rapping
2). He switches his style up, and start rapping the way the fan's want him to.
So on your view of fan opinions, they are very powerful with their words and their likes/dislikes. Fan's can either make or break you.
Now as far as the ego aspect, that's a tough one. All aspect's of human life, Especially within American Society is based on some dealings with one's Ego rather it be a Direct correlation or an Indirect one. When dealing with music (not just Rap) people display their ego's, some are more honest and genuine but for the most part (when rap is concerned) artist tend to boost their ego by painting their own histories, stories, plights, etc. in a brighter light then it should be in, or was in. If No rapper had Ego, then I doubt they would be interesting to listen to, and this not only goes for rappers but any musician as well.
This DMV 2011 Fight incident was an unfortunate one. because it paints DC-MD-VA in a negative light, and the crazy thing is that no one cared for a 2011 DMV awards until a fight broke out. Now alot of major publications are picking up on it and running with it, which says alot about how news publications make their name within the reporting/publication business. Negativity sells, and this is CLEARLY evident with the story of this event, and it is subtly shown (but also clearly evident) within main-stream rap music.
Fan's need to change to enforce a change on record producers, rappers and labels.
Good points made on all accounts. But what I meant by Ego, is basically rappers that go overboard with it. As in, they get way too self consumed anf forget about their surroundings, the people who either love/hate them, and etc. At some point, the humility of it all has to come into play. Ego Trippin' (Part II) by De La Soul always pinpointed that if you listen to it closely. And I can't say Lil Wayne would change how everyone else raps if he switched up to that. Why? Because the overshadowing of potraying the hard-ass image in hip hop is being embedded into the minds of a the public; in particularly, the youth. Thats when community outreach and other avenues help really breakdown what these younger kids see in some of the artists they imitate.
You're right, I'm not involved in the honky-tonk scene (DC has one?) but that doesn't stop from reading about things that I may find interesting that I'm not a part of.
right, and this thread has had 540+ views... so people are reading and are learning, just not commentin' :)
granted, half of these are GGW refreshing furiously to see if anyone responded to his DIS
Its all good. Sweetcell, you gotta point and thats kind of where I was getting to with this thread. We can all learn a thing or two from something as unfortunate as this happening. Hopefully, this will never happen again.
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But what DeathAbove1979 stated is the ultimate problem, it reinforces the stereotype that overshadows what other artists have worked hard to defeat.
The problem isn't the artists. It's the fans.
Nah, its both. Hip hop has an ego-driven work ethic embedded in its ways. Its kind of taken over how some people act. On top of that, fans feel like their opinions are worth more than what they are. You can look a lot of hip hop message boards and see these kids trash a lot of artists because they feel they can and most of them can hide their faces when doing so. Too much ego, not enough people being humble.
And this is what I hate. De La Soul would rap about talking to monkeys and fish, and now it's all about fuck everyone and look at how important I am. That's why Odd Future is refreshing to me because these are just... essentially kids rapping about stupid shit and clearly having fun with it, and no matter how disgusting some of the lyrics are, Tyler has so many moments of just...pouring his soul onto these songs. From his frustration for getting no love from blogs, to rapping about how much he hates his father, it's all right there and he's not shy about it. Biggie did it, Wayne did, and it seems hard to see any other people doing much. And it's not just about that 1 song on an album, it's about an entire library, not just about making number 1 hits with production by Timbaland or The Neptunes, of which I both love. I just think there's very little hear in hip hop these days and it's hard as shit to find it.
I like Odd Future, too. Only thing with them is that they need a very polished group album with everyone involved. I listen to a lot of Swim Team (Open Mike Eagle, NoCanDo, etc.) and Doomtree (P.O.S., Dessa, SIMS, and etc.).
I got some stuff you make like. Hit me up because I think there's still good shit out there but in hip hop, its cool to be disappointed. LOL. So therefore, people may not look out for the good stuff thats out.
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I like Odd Future, too. Only thing with them is that they need a very polished group album with everyone involved.
I disagree. Earl and Tyler are superior rappers and Hodgy, Domo and Mike G are much more run-of-the-mill. And I think they've gotten their buzz because of the scratchy, lo-fi sound, which matches the feel of the videos and their whole general schtick. Listen to something like 'Yonkers' and all it is a couple of verses. No chorus, no familiar samples, no hooks or repeated phrases. It's pretty much just two instrumental parts, and his words. The best OF songs are based on great production/beats and great vocals, which means produced by Tyler and featuring Tyler and Earl only (as a producer, I think Left Brain is average).
I'm excited for 'Goblin' because its a Tyler album rather than OFWGKTA. Not sure if Earl is on it though, probably not (unless they recycle some old stuff recorded before his disappearance).
Didn't realize I was going to blather so much. Eh, who gives a shit.
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The sounds of a 30something white guy desperately trying to sound cooler and more relevant than someone from Fairfax. ;D
I like Odd Future, too. Only thing with them is that they need a very polished group album with everyone involved.
I disagree. Earl and Tyler are superior rappers and Hodgy, Domo and Mike G are much more run-of-the-mill. And I think they've gotten their buzz because of the scratchy, lo-fi sound, which matches the feel of the videos and their whole general schtick. Listen to something like 'Yonkers' and all it is a couple of verses. No chorus, no familiar samples, no hooks or repeated phrases. It's pretty much just two instrumental parts, and his words. The best OF songs are based on great production/beats and great vocals, which means produced by Tyler and featuring Tyler and Earl only (as a producer, I think Left Brain is average).
I'm excited for 'Goblin' because its a Tyler album rather than OFWGKTA. Not sure if Earl is on it though, probably not (unless they recycle some old stuff recorded before his disappearance).
Didn't realize I was going to blather so much. Eh, who gives a shit.
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it's like sentence horseshoes, where close only counts along side hand grenades.
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I like Odd Future, too. Only thing with them is that they need a very polished group album with everyone involved.
I disagree. Earl and Tyler are superior rappers and Hodgy, Domo and Mike G are much more run-of-the-mill. And I think they've gotten their buzz because of the scratchy, lo-fi sound, which matches the feel of the videos and their whole general schtick. Listen to something like 'Yonkers' and all it is a couple of verses. No chorus, no familiar samples, no hooks or repeated phrases. It's pretty much just two instrumental parts, and his words. The best OF songs are based on great production/beats and great vocals, which means produced by Tyler and featuring Tyler and Earl only (as a producer, I think Left Brain is average).
I'm excited for 'Goblin' because its a Tyler album rather than OFWGKTA. Not sure if Earl is on it though, probably not (unless they recycle some old stuff recorded before his disappearance).
Didn't realize I was going to blather so much. Eh, who gives a shit.
Well, this is Tyler's 2nd "album", 'Bastard' was his first one, and it's great. Earl had a song or 2 on his "album" that had Earl on it, and of course others. I think the OF mixtapes feature everyone, but I think everyone has their 'own' mixtapes or "albums" that feature them. I love Earl's the most, it's short, simple, and to the point. I love their low-fi ways and their 'we do it ourselves' kind of attitude and they do their own shit. I know Tyler signed to XL Recordings a couple weeks ago, so we'll see what happens.
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I like Odd Future, too. Only thing with them is that they need a very polished group album with everyone involved.
I disagree. Earl and Tyler are superior rappers and Hodgy, Domo and Mike G are much more run-of-the-mill. And I think they've gotten their buzz because of the scratchy, lo-fi sound, which matches the feel of the videos and their whole general schtick. Listen to something like 'Yonkers' and all it is a couple of verses. No chorus, no familiar samples, no hooks or repeated phrases. It's pretty much just two instrumental parts, and his words. The best OF songs are based on great production/beats and great vocals, which means produced by Tyler and featuring Tyler and Earl only (as a producer, I think Left Brain is average).
I'm excited for 'Goblin' because its a Tyler album rather than OFWGKTA. Not sure if Earl is on it though, probably not (unless they recycle some old stuff recorded before his disappearance).
Didn't realize I was going to blather so much. Eh, who gives a shit.
LOL, its all good. You make some good points. I like Mellowhype the most out of them for some reason. Domo and Mike G's stuff was pretty good. I see what you mean as far as Tyler and Earl being on top of their game. I guess me, I see something else that could be added to what they're already doing, IMO. So far, its if the Neptunes fucked around and produced for some shock value rap. Which is not a bad thing but thats what it sounds like to me. And it works.
See me, I don't mind the samples. Thats what a majority of hip hop stemmed from anyway. Maybe thats the "old school" in me but they what they do. Which works for them.
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Didn't Odd Future play U Street music hall not too long ago? Anyone go? I somehow missed it but I did see that Jimmy Fallon appearance (which blew my mind.)
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I went and it was great. Tyler is going to be a star, no doubt.
There's a lot about them that has been done before, especially if you're a Wu Tang fan, but that doesn't prevent me from constantly putting on Earl, Radical or Bastard. I'll give Blackenedwhite another try.
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I went and it was great. Tyler is going to be a star, no doubt.
There's a lot about them that has been done before, especially if you're a Wu Tang fan, but that doesn't prevent me from constantly putting on Earl, Radical or Bastard. I'll give Blackenedwhite another try.
Domo's 'Rolling Paper' is good too.
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The Hyatt Regency Crystal City, the hotel that hosted the 2011 DMV Awards, is collecting donations for an employee who was injured during a fight that broke out during the event.
Antonio Illanes was hurt in the DMV Awards brawl that brought dozens of Arlington County Police to the scene to shut down the show. He was one of five people injured. Michelle Crabtree, director of human resources for the hotel, which has already raised more than $3000 in-house to assist Illanes while he recovers,will accept funds on his behalf. Checks can be made out to Antonio Illanes and mailed to the Hyatt Crystal City, Attention: HR Department, 2799 Jefferson Davis Highway, Arlington, VA 22202.
Reached at his home this afternoon, Illanes says that he was hit with a bottle during the March 6 incident and that he "lost the sight in my left eye." He added that he has had several operations since that night.
The Arlington County Police Department's investigation into the incident is still ongoing.
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-arts/2011/03/hyatt-crystal-city-accepting-donations-for-employee-injured-at-dmv-awards-9746.html
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An interview with the hotel employee who lost an eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcMD2tl9BI&
It's difficult to believe that nobody knows the girl who did this. But I guess in some communities "snitching" is considered a greater crime than maiming an innocent man.
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(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4535428305_df2222fbb9.jpg)
wrd bro!!!
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^^^ TrustoCorp. Love those dudes.