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Title: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 21, 2012, 02:16:40 pm
So, what's the over/under on the number of football games Maryland will win in the new Big 11 over the next five seasons?

I'll start at 8 and take the under. At least it will get Randy Edsall fired.

Fuck you, Debbie Yow.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: James Ford on November 21, 2012, 02:17:45 pm
Don't know what you're talking about, but the title sounds like the name of a good porn flick.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: showlistdc on November 21, 2012, 02:23:39 pm
well, it's already at 12 schools, so I'm not sure where you're getting 11 from.  With the addition of Maryland and Rutgers, the Big Ten will be at 14.

Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: DeathFromAbove1979 on November 21, 2012, 02:24:25 pm
Don't know what you're talking about, but the title sounds like the name of a good porn flick.
Lol.

I think it's shit. Maybe they should focus on making the god damn people better so people will fucking care and go to the games instead of shitting on decades of tradition for money.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 21, 2012, 02:32:22 pm
Don't know what you're talking about, but the title sounds like the name of a good porn flick.
Lol.

I think it's shit. Maybe they should focus on making the god damn people better so people will fucking care and go to the games instead of shitting on decades of tradition for money.

are you talking about porn, or football?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 21, 2012, 03:05:26 pm
I don't see what anyone is upset about?  Best solution is to just shut down sports at Maryland.  Everyone argues about this program being cut, football team isn't winning enough games, coach who won national championship should be fired for not getting better recruits, conference change whining.

Students have to pay money so that there is all these scholarship sports.  Tuition is high enough.  Shut down the sports and save them money. And also I won't have to hear people complaining about it.  Supposed to be amateur anyway. If you aren't on the team what do you care?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 21, 2012, 05:01:31 pm
MD olympic sports are in the shitter because Debbie Yow is as responsible with taxpayer money as Congress. She bet big on expanding and renovating Byrd Stadium and she bet wrong. And even since the impeccably inept Wallace "Leadership is Overrated" Loh took over, the athletic department is still $25 million in the red.

I would love to see this whole league transfer get shitcanned because these idiots violated sunshine laws.

Fucking morons.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 21, 2012, 05:46:57 pm
MD olympic sports are in the shitter because Debbie Yow is as responsible with taxpayer money as Congress. She bet big on expanding and renovating Byrd Stadium and she bet wrong. And even since the impeccably inept Wallace "Leadership is Overrated" Loh took over, the athletic department is still $25 million in the red.

I would love to see this whole league transfer get shitcanned because these idiots violated sunshine laws.

Fucking morons.

Tax payer money doesn't go to sports.  They are funded with student fees.  Unless you are a current maryland student I don't know why you care.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 21, 2012, 08:14:03 pm
Either way, that's money coming out of students' pockets. You can't just opt out of paying student fees, moron.

UMD is the only 1-A football school in the metro area and is one of the region's pre-eminent universities. A healthy and successful UMD brings positive attention to the area and represents it well. A floudering UMD brings ridicule and embarrassment.

I can't believe I really had to explain that to you. Well, I guess I can. You're an idiot.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 22, 2012, 11:54:25 am
Tax payer money doesn't go to sports.  They are funded with student fees.  Unless you are a current maryland student I don't know why you care.

huh?  Student fees fund the athletic department?  Not even close to being true.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: James Ford on November 22, 2012, 12:51:46 pm


Unlike sports at many other public universities, Maryland athletics are not supported by state funding, instead relying on fundraising that has slumped in recent years and student fees.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/terrapins-insider/post/maryland-president-wallace-loh-agrees-to-cut-eight-teams-to-alleve-budget-woes/2011/11/21/gIQAt1SuhN_blog.html



Tax payer money doesn't go to sports.  They are funded with student fees.  Unless you are a current maryland student I don't know why you care.

huh?  Student fees fund the athletic department?  Not even close to being true.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: James Ford on November 22, 2012, 12:55:44 pm

Nearly 8 percent of Maryland?s athletics revenue in 2009-10 came from direct institutional support, and more than 17 percent came from student fees, according to USA Today?s college athletics finance database. (Maryland?s total revenue from those two streams is still significantly lower than the national FBS average of 60 percent.) It got about 18 percent each from contributions and conference revenues, and more than 23 percent from ticket sales.

Read more: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/11/22/maryland-will-cut-eight-teams-mitigate-athletic-budget-deficit#ixzz2CyHoC6pc
 




Tax payer money doesn't go to sports.  They are funded with student fees.  Unless you are a current maryland student I don't know why you care.

huh?  Student fees fund the athletic department?  Not even close to being true.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 23, 2012, 02:57:29 am
Either way, that's money coming out of students' pockets. You can't just opt out of paying student fees, moron.

UMD is the only 1-A football school in the metro area and is one of the region's pre-eminent universities. A healthy and successful UMD brings positive attention to the area and represents it well. A floudering UMD brings ridicule and embarrassment.

I can't believe I really had to explain that to you. Well, I guess I can. You're an idiot.

no one cares about maryland football and it does nothing to bring anything positive to the universityies image.  You are the moron who thinks college football is so important that you call someone a moron.  My suggestion, idiot dude, is to shut down sports at college park saving the students fees and the sparing you the ridcule and embarrassment that it somehow presents to you.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 23, 2012, 03:00:12 am
Tax payer money doesn't go to sports.  They are funded with student fees.  Unless you are a current maryland student I don't know why you care.

huh?  Student fees fund the athletic department?  Not even close to being true.

see james ford comments below.  for some reason people think college sports bring in money when the opposite is true.  I will never understand why anyone would think this is important to the university they attend.  Yale, Harvard, and Georgetown's football teams seem to be pretty far of the radar but I don't see them hurting the schools reputations.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: StoneTheCrow on November 25, 2012, 11:28:29 pm
Your comment seems to say 100% funded which is untrue (as confirmed by Mr. Ford).

Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 26, 2012, 12:58:23 am
according to huffington post maryland students pay 640 dollars to the atheletic department in fees.  I am guessing that quite a few students would prefer not to pay the fee in lieu of paying out all the athletic schoarships and crazy coaches salaries.  All these stupid tv contracts and having atheletes on campus who have no reason being in college and the students still have to pick up the bill.  Sports in college should be for the students. Not for some jock who most likely doesn't even know how to read.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 26, 2012, 01:06:14 pm
Maryland's athletic department is one of the only ADs in the country that is self-sustaining. If you want to point fingers as to why Maryland is joining the Big Ten, the blame lies on one person: Debbie Yow. She robbed Peter to pay Paul by paying for the athletic department's expenses using future reserves! She then left town for NC State and left incoming AD Kevin Anderson to inherit a financial mess. Anderson had no choice but to cut all those sports because they were left with barely any money to operate with!

On top of that, she built the football suites despite a commission hired by the AD saying otherwise. She even bent laws to get herself inducted into the Maryland Athletic Hall of Fame. Additionally, Comcast got a ridiculous deal on the naming rights of the Comcast Center that will last for years to come. Under her watch, women's assistant basketball coaches salaries were higher than men's (you know, the revenue sport). The list goes on and on with her gaffes and she should be locked up for fraud. She cooked the books while at UMD and College Park has been paying the price because of her financial mismanagement.

The move to the Big Ten makes financial sense for Maryland, plus the ACC has been dead for over a decade ever since they did away with round-robin basketball after adding Miami, VT, and BC to the league. A lot of good that did them. Btw, you can buy ACC Football Championship tickets for $5 on StubHub.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: James Ford on November 26, 2012, 03:54:15 pm
How is something "self-sustaining" if there is a mandatory student fee of $640 per student subsidizing it?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 26, 2012, 06:23:48 pm
i really wish that each school that wanted to participate in this new age gladiator hero worship program we have going on in this country would get a separate wing to the college for athletes only.  no pressure of "real school" and learning the "hard stuff."  just enough to get by once the sport is over.  the total dedication is to the sport though, the game, the play and the field and the meaning of a team bound by one who will coach them all.  who can really then brag about being the best in the polls or the standings?  they can bring in engineers and fucking scientists to work on that shit.  and all the scholarships stays the same.  good grades in a "special" curriculum you are given early on to get into the college program, mixed with your ability to play/make money potential from there on out.  you think sports are good now.  they would rule then.  rule. 

Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 26, 2012, 06:27:52 pm
i really wish that each school that wanted to participate in this new age gladiator hero worship program we have going on in this country would get a separate wing to the college for athletes only.  no pressure of "real school" and learning the "hard stuff."  just enough to get by once the sport is over. 



I think most "serious" athletic programs already have that..


Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 26, 2012, 07:45:02 pm
Yeah it doesn't take a lot of investigation to realize that most of the college powerhouses that in basketball and football the student/athelete thing is a joke.  Maryland could should shut down sports and the leadership of the university should work on improving academics.  The 600+ dollars a year spent on college sports by each student  could be used for something that actually improves the university.  Even at 600 dollar per student at 40,000 students that amounts to 24 million dollars. Talk about a waste of money. 

That is enough money for 2694 in state full tuition scholarships.  The insanity of the whole maryland atheletic department is unbelievable.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: RatBastard on November 27, 2012, 10:04:58 am
The whole problem is that these kids are referred to as student athletes and the mind set that follows.  They are athlete students.  They are students that happen to ALSO be athletes.  Then again it is ONLY college football (one of the two most boring sports ever along with professional kickball, a.k.a. soccer).  Besides I thought he whole point of college was to give the non-athlete students a place to be educated.  Oops there I go thinking again...
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 27, 2012, 11:24:57 am
Maryland's athletic department is one of the only ADs in the country that is self-sustaining. If you want to point fingers as to why Maryland is joining the Big Ten, the blame lies on one person: Debbie Yow. She robbed Peter to pay Paul by paying for the athletic department's expenses using future reserves! She then left town for NC State and left incoming AD Kevin Anderson to inherit a financial mess. Anderson had no choice but to cut all those sports because they were left with barely any money to operate with!

On top of that, she built the football suites despite a commission hired by the AD saying otherwise. She even bent laws to get herself inducted into the Maryland Athletic Hall of Fame. Additionally, Comcast got a ridiculous deal on the naming rights of the Comcast Center that will last for years to come. Under her watch, women's assistant basketball coaches salaries were higher than men's (you know, the revenue sport). The list goes on and on with her gaffes and she should be locked up for fraud. She cooked the books while at UMD and College Park has been paying the price because of her financial mismanagement.

The move to the Big Ten makes financial sense for Maryland, plus the ACC has been dead for over a decade ever since they did away with round-robin basketball after adding Miami, VT, and BC to the league. A lot of good that did them. Btw, you can buy ACC Football Championship tickets for $5 on StubHub.

While I agree with 99% of your take, I believe you are incorrect on MD athletics being self-sustaining. There are only approximately eight schools in the nation who have self-sustaining athletic budgets. Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, likely ND, are a few and what separates them from MD? They're not cutting programs.

Solid take all around, though. How much is Brenda Frese making anyway?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 27, 2012, 11:26:43 am
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The Baltimore Sun examined the 1,346 state workers whose salaries exceeded Governor Martin O?Malley?s $150,000 haul in 2010, and discovered that the top three earners were all Terps coaches.

The top 10, in fact, were all University of Maryland employees, but no one came close to Williams?s $2,335,890 score. Friedgen checked in at $1,088,980, and Frese earned $957,523.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 27, 2012, 11:30:26 am
Yeah, you guys are right, no one likes college sports we should just get rid of it all.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 27, 2012, 11:53:54 am
While I agree with 99% of your take, I believe you are incorrect on MD athletics being self-sustaining. There are only approximately eight schools in the nation who have self-sustaining athletic budgets. Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, likely ND, are a few and what separates them from MD? They're not cutting programs.

Solid take all around, though. How much is Brenda Frese making anyway?

Well that's an easy one - all the schools that you listed have powerhouse football programs, rich in tradition, which generate tons of revenue to fund the non-revenue (Olympic) sports. Not so much the case for UMD, which basically had three great seasons when Fridge first got to College Park (2001-2004) and has been middling since. Bear in mind that they do not receive any money from the university's general fund, and the subsidies from the "student activity fee" make a minimal impact to the overall budget.

The problem was that Yow was more concerned with MD fielding as many programs as possible instead of investing into the sports that actually make the AD money (you know, football & men's basketball), even when times were good for both programs. Plus it doesn't help to have the most abrasive relationships with both of your revenue coaches. Only reason Gary put up with all of it was because he was a Maryland alum, any other coach would have fled.

You'd be amazed how much money Yow spent on women's bball alone - the assistant salaries speak for themselves. So you had a school hosting 27 sports, two of which included women's water polo (?!) and competitive cheer, while blowing money on football suites during a recession in addition to waning season ticket sales. On top of all that, you were using future reserves to pay for running all of these 27 sports. That's just a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 27, 2012, 12:08:32 pm
While I agree with 99% of your take, I believe you are incorrect on MD athletics being self-sustaining. There are only approximately eight schools in the nation who have self-sustaining athletic budgets. Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, likely ND, are a few and what separates them from MD? They're not cutting programs.

Solid take all around, though. How much is Brenda Frese making anyway?

Well that's an easy one - all the schools that you listed have powerhouse football programs, rich in tradition, which generate tons of revenue to fund the non-revenue (Olympic) sports. Not so much the case for UMD, which basically had three great seasons when Fridge first got to College Park (2001-2004) and has been middling since. The problem was that Yow was more concerned with MD fielding as many programs as possible instead of investing into the sports that actually make the AD money (you know, football & men's basketball), even when times were good for both programs. Plus it doesn't help to have the most abrasive relationships with both of your revenue coaches. Only reason Gary put up with all of it was because he was a Maryland alum, any other coach would have fled.

You'd be amazed how much money Yow spent on women's bball alone - the assistant salaries speak for themselves. So you had a school hosting 27 sports, two of which included women's water polo (?!) and competitive cheer, while blowing money on football suites during a recession in addition to waning season ticket sales. On top of all that, you were using future reserves to pay for running all of these 27 sports. That's just a recipe for disaster.

WHy are you so concerned about the salaries of the assistant coaches in women's basketball?  They have won a national championship have been in the final 8 in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2012.  For the good of the students fielding more sports is good.  No one cares about Maryland football.  Even when they did well they couldn't get to a real bowl game because no one from MD would attend.

I have been to Notre Dame and Ohio State areas.  They are not a lot of things going on.  Columbus has a hockey team but that is about it.  Notre Dame area is a dump.  Penn State is far from the big cities. Maryland is located within 25 miles of two NFL teams with huge stadiums.  Two Major League Baseball teams. An MLS team.  A NHL and NBA team.  No one is ever going to care about the MD football program.   And you don't think that effects recruiting?  It is amateur sports.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 27, 2012, 12:46:01 pm

WHy are you so concerned about the salaries of the assistant coaches in women's basketball?  They have won a national championship have been in the final 8 in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2012.  For the good of the students fielding more sports is good.  No one cares about Maryland football.  Even when they did well they couldn't get to a real bowl game because no one from MD would attend.

I have been to Notre Dame and Ohio State areas.  They are not a lot of things going on.  Columbus has a hockey team but that is about it.  Notre Dame area is a dump.  Penn State is far from the big cities. Maryland is located within 25 miles of two NFL teams with huge stadiums.  Two Major League Baseball teams. An MLS team.  A NHL and NBA team.  No one is ever going to care about the MD football program.   And you don't think that effects recruiting?  It is amateur sports.

Wow dude, there are so many factually incorrect statements with this post I don't know even where to begin. Of course fielding more sports is good, but not when you're continually bleeding money and spending future reserves. Come on now. You clearly don't know how the business of college athletics works. There are these things called revenue sports - football and men's basketball - they let you fund all the other Olympic sports. In order to fund programs such as soccer, track/field, etc, you need to generate revenue from your moneymakers. Simple as that. You also can't make ill-advised decisions that detriment the budget (Comcast naming rights, football suites, etc).

How you don't see what's wrong with paying the women's assistants more than the men's is really simple: you're pouring more money into a program that offers zero return. In other words, women's bball does not make any money! Maryland Basketball is the AD's cashcow, yet you're paying the women's assistants higher salaries?? Thankfully this has been addressed under Anderson's leadership.

Maryland football has to compete with not one but two pro teams, as well as reside in the shadow of our nation's capital. But the fact that they can't draw because of all the other things that go on in the area is bogus. Season ticket sales were at their highest when the team was winning on a consistent basis, which included trips to the Orange, Gator, and Peach Bowl. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are very prestigious bowls that Maryland fans attended in high numbers. Of course if you have a 7-5 or 6-6 season you're not going to go to a nicer bowl. It's also a very fickle fanbase.  As Al David used to say, "Just win, baby".
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: James Ford on November 27, 2012, 01:21:13 pm
Hey Britt,

I think you mean Al Davis, not Al David.

Love,

James


WHy are you so concerned about the salaries of the assistant coaches in women's basketball?  They have won a national championship have been in the final 8 in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2012.  For the good of the students fielding more sports is good.  No one cares about Maryland football.  Even when they did well they couldn't get to a real bowl game because no one from MD would attend.

I have been to Notre Dame and Ohio State areas.  They are not a lot of things going on.  Columbus has a hockey team but that is about it.  Notre Dame area is a dump.  Penn State is far from the big cities. Maryland is located within 25 miles of two NFL teams with huge stadiums.  Two Major League Baseball teams. An MLS team.  A NHL and NBA team.  No one is ever going to care about the MD football program.   And you don't think that effects recruiting?  It is amateur sports.

Wow dude, there are so many factually incorrect statements with this post I don't know even where to begin. Of course fielding more sports is good, but not when you're continually bleeding money and spending future reserves. Come on now. You clearly don't know how the business of college athletics works. There are these things called revenue sports - football and men's basketball - they let you fund all the other Olympic sports. In order to fund programs such as soccer, track/field, etc, you need to generate revenue from your moneymakers. Simple as that. You also can't make ill-advised decisions that detriment the budget (Comcast naming rights, football suites, etc).

How you don't see what's wrong with paying the women's assistants more than the men's is really simple: you're pouring more money into a program that offers zero return. In other words, women's bball does not make any money! Maryland Basketball is the AD's cashcow, yet you're paying the women's assistants higher salaries?? Thankfully this has been addressed under Anderson's leadership.

Maryland football has to compete with not one but two pro teams, as well as reside in the shadow of our nation's capital. But the fact that they can't draw because of all the other things that go on in the area is bogus. Season ticket sales were at their highest when the team was winning on a consistent basis, which included trips to the Orange, Gator, and Peach Bowl. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are very prestigious bowls that Maryland fans attended in high numbers. Of course if you have a 7-5 or 6-6 season you're not going to go to a nicer bowl. It's also a very fickle fanbase.  As Al David used to say, "Just win, baby".
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 27, 2012, 01:32:11 pm

WHy are you so concerned about the salaries of the assistant coaches in women's basketball?  They have won a national championship have been in the final 8 in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2012.  For the good of the students fielding more sports is good.  No one cares about Maryland football.  Even when they did well they couldn't get to a real bowl game because no one from MD would attend.

I have been to Notre Dame and Ohio State areas.  They are not a lot of things going on.  Columbus has a hockey team but that is about it.  Notre Dame area is a dump.  Penn State is far from the big cities. Maryland is located within 25 miles of two NFL teams with huge stadiums.  Two Major League Baseball teams. An MLS team.  A NHL and NBA team.  No one is ever going to care about the MD football program.   And you don't think that effects recruiting?  It is amateur sports.

Wow dude, there are so many factually incorrect statements with this post I don't know even where to begin. Of course fielding more sports is good, but not when you're continually bleeding money and spending future reserves. Come on now. You clearly don't know how the business of college athletics works. There are these things called revenue sports - football and men's basketball - they let you fund all the other Olympic sports. In order to fund programs such as soccer, track/field, etc, you need to generate revenue from your moneymakers. Simple as that. You also can't make ill-advised decisions that detriment the budget (Comcast naming rights, football suites, etc).

How you don't see what's wrong with paying the women's assistants more than the men's is really simple: you're pouring more money into a program that offers zero return. In other words, women's bball does not make any money! Maryland Basketball is the AD's cashcow, yet you're paying the women's assistants higher salaries?? Thankfully this has been addressed under Anderson's leadership.

Maryland football has to compete with not one but two pro teams, as well as reside in the shadow of our nation's capital. But the fact that they can't draw because of all the other things that go on in the area is bogus. Season ticket sales were at their highest when the team was winning on a consistent basis, which included trips to the Orange, Gator, and Peach Bowl. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are very prestigious bowls that Maryland fans attended in high numbers. Of course if you have a 7-5 or 6-6 season you're not going to go to a nicer bowl. It's also a very fickle fanbase.  As Al David used to say, "Just win, baby".

If these men's sports are such cash cows why do the students have to contribute 25 million a year and they still can't make ends meet?  Your whole logic is wrong. And the Men's football team payed two coaches last year millions of dollars.  And they won 2 games.  Pathetic.  I am sure they got paid a lot more than the womens basketball team.

And zero return?  They won a championship.  I am sure people go to their games.  Just because it doesn't interest you it might interest others.  If it were about making money than they would need 25 million from students to begin with.  And they have to have womens sports by law.  So I am sorry that you are a sexist but the women's sports will continue to exist as long as there are mens sports. 

My college didn't even have a football team and we were able to have all those stupid olympic sports you so detest. Including 9 women's sports.   Football programs are insanely expensive and I think you overestimate their contribution to the MD atheletic program.  You don't care about the atheletic budget anyway.  That is obvious.  It would be fine with you if they eliminated everything but men's football and men's basketball, I am sure.  So why not go one step further and eliminate all scholarship sports?  They could certainly not have a defecit?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: BrettnotBritt on November 27, 2012, 01:48:46 pm

If these men's sports are such cash cows why do the students have to contribute 25 million a year and they still can't make ends meet?  Your whole logic is wrong. And the Men's football team payed two coaches last year millions of dollars.  And they won 2 games.  Pathetic.  I am sure they got paid a lot more than the womens basketball team.

And zero return?  They won a championship.  I am sure people go to their games.  Just because it doesn't interest you it might interest others.  If it were about making money than they would need 25 million from students to begin with.  And they have to have womens sports by law.  So I am sorry that you are a sexist but the women's sports will continue to exist as long as there are mens sports. 

My college didn't even have a football team and we were able to have all those stupid olympic sports you so detest. Including 9 women's sports.   Football programs are insanely expensive and I think you overestimate their contribution to the MD atheletic program.  You don't care about the atheletic budget anyway.  That is obvious.  It would be fine with you if they eliminated everything but men's football and men's basketball, I am sure.  So why not go one step further and eliminate all scholarship sports?  They could certainly not have a defecit?

LOL at the sexist remark - I have nothing against any of the women's sports (outside of women's water polo, a sport that should have never been at UMD in the first place). Women's basketball just doesn't generate revenue and create net positive cash flow into the AD. We're talking about dollars and sense here, that's all I was pointing out. But keep making silly accusations.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2012, 01:53:16 pm
american football is not a "sport".
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 27, 2012, 03:14:15 pm
Is it a sandwich?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2012, 03:25:57 pm
American Football does not meet the criteria of what is sport:



Sport (or, in the United States, sports) is all forms of competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and provide entertainment to participants.


and

 Definition
See also: Game#Definitions
Show Jumping, an equestrian sport

The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources, with no universally agreed definition. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association football, athletics, cycling, tennis, equestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.

SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1]

    have an element of competition
    be in no way harmful to any living creature
    not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
    not rely on any 'luck' element specifically designed in to the sport
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 27, 2012, 03:30:52 pm
So boxing, hunting, fencing, lacrosse, and any other game that may involve an injury such as basketball, baseball and every other one, aren't sports?
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2012, 03:33:54 pm
So boxing, hunting, fencing, lacrosse, and any other game that may involve an injury such as basketball, baseball and every other one, aren't sports?

Yes and no.

Boxing is certainly not a sport under the definition of sport whatever people may think...


As far as the others goes, it is completely different when the injury is accidental than when it is being caused on purpose as a regular part of the game.

Now rugby, that, is a sport.


I don't know about hunting...
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2012, 03:37:53 pm
But there is nothing "sport" about this... this is murder... that is what it is..

http://www.realclearsports.com/2012/11/16/039smoking_gun039_in_nfl_concussions_107284.html
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: i am gay and i like cats on November 27, 2012, 06:15:43 pm
can we change the name of this site to:

"as hutch's mind turns"

Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: hutch on November 27, 2012, 06:20:01 pm
can we change the name of this site to:

"as hutch's mind turns"



yeah i noticed. :-[
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: RatBastard on November 29, 2012, 09:47:57 am
american football is not a "sport".

"American" football is the ONLY football, the other GAME is professional kickball.  They do some neat tricks with the ball but all the GAME boils down to is 1)running and 2) kicking a round ball into a HUGE net.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: RatBastard on November 29, 2012, 09:50:04 am
American Football does not meet the criteria of what is sport:



Sport (or, in the United States, sports) is all forms of competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and provide entertainment to participants.


and

 Definition
See also: Game#Definitions
Show Jumping, an equestrian sport

The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources, with no universally agreed definition. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association football, athletics, cycling, tennis, equestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.

SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1]

    have an element of competition
    be in no way harmful to any living creature
    not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
    not rely on any 'luck' element specifically designed in to the sport



You highlighted on a PARTIAL quote.

Sport (or, in the United States, sports) is all forms of competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and provide entertainment to participants.

Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 29, 2012, 10:08:54 am
american football is not a "sport".

"American" football is the ONLY football, the other GAME is professional kickball.  They do some neat tricks with the ball but all the GAME boils down to is 1)running and 2) kicking a round ball into a HUGE net.

and 3) rolling around screaming in pain after tripping over a blade of grass.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on November 29, 2012, 11:50:19 am
Soccer sucks.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 29, 2012, 11:58:05 am
american football is not a "sport".

"American" football is the ONLY football, the other GAME is professional kickball.  They do some neat tricks with the ball but all the GAME boils down to is 1)running and 2) kicking a round ball into a HUGE net.

As person who has played a lot in adult kickball leagues, I am offended that you are comparing soccer to kickball.  Please kickball is so much more than soccer.  We actually try to score and we don't fake injuries. 
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 29, 2012, 12:23:47 pm
Kickball is genuinely and truly the most dickless, retarded activity that does not involve fish. Its only purpose is for lumpen human pillows to claim, Oh yeah I play sports, KICKBALL bro! Doing a jigsaw puzzle burns more calories than playing kickball.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 29, 2012, 12:26:23 pm
Kickball is genuinely and truly the most dickless, retarded activity that does not involve fish. Its only purpose is for lumpen human pillows to claim, Oh yeah I play sports, KICKBALL bro! Doing a jigsaw puzzle burns more calories than playing kickball.

Funny there aren't any lumpen human pillows in the league I played....I am guessing no one would let you play kickball on their team.  And running around the bases or in the outfield does burn calories. Try catching a ball in the outfield with a beer in your hand and get back to me.  Oh wait no one would let you play with them.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on November 29, 2012, 12:31:54 pm
*pokes his head in, slowly walks away*
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: imbecile on November 29, 2012, 01:01:03 pm
Kickball is genuinely and truly the most dickless, retarded activity that does not involve fish. Its only purpose is for lumpen human pillows to claim, Oh yeah I play sports, KICKBALL bro! Doing a jigsaw puzzle burns more calories than playing kickball.

ha, i think you're thinking of softball. 

We have a health program at work where you get points and stuff for various activities and all that to try to encourage healthy behaviors and drive down our health care costs.  Anyway, some guy tried to get his softball team registered so it would count as a certified activity and earn him points.. we laughed.

That being said.. claiming to do either as a means of exercising is laughable.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 29, 2012, 01:03:47 pm
No, I meant kickball, the "sport" that Atomicfront claims to play while holding a beer, just like all those other sports that involve consumption while you play.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: Relaxer on November 29, 2012, 01:04:15 pm
Like fishing, for example, or whittling.
Title: Re: MD to the Big 11
Post by: atomicfront on November 29, 2012, 01:18:00 pm
No, I meant kickball, the "sport" that Atomicfront claims to play while holding a beer, just like all those other sports that involve consumption while you play.

difference between softball and kickball is that a lot of very hot girls play kickball.  And it does involve exercise.  Not as much as basketball but probably the same as soccer if you are defeneseman or goalie.  Lot of overthrown balls that you have to chase down.  lots of running around the bases as you tend to have a high batting average in kickball.  I played soccer when I was in college and the only position that you get much of workout is midfield.