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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: MonkeyPants on March 26, 2013, 01:31:44 pm
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Remember when BYT wanted you to write a fake suicide note to win Morrissey tickets? http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=22868.0
Now @marissacetin and @emwhitenoise have uncovered the fact that their "Managing Editor" plagiarized basically BYT's entire Summer Guide:
http://twitter.com/marissacetin
http://twitter.com/emwhitenoise
These guys get press credentials and special access to events? Give me some free tickets and stuff and I'll actually write my own content! And edit it! ;)
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wow. just wow.
"well, the stuff is online, right? and everyone steals everything online, right? so what's the problem with blatantly taking other people's text and adding my name as if i wrote it? i mean, c'mon!"
they changed the attributions in the online version. i got the "original" (unoriginal?) version of the BYT summer guide via email, and ALL blurbs that were previously attributed to Logan Donaldson have been changed to their true authors. what a douche.
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Meh. A good way is to just not read, click, or support anything they do. Which I don't.
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I don't, either. The news popped up in my twitter feed, but I didn't click through to give them any more hits on their website. It's just lazy at best and unethical at worst. What is sadder, though, is that when they actually produce their own content (aside from the photos), it is just not very good (and that's the most generous way I can put it). They should have their "press" credentials rescinded, but they probably won't, because they'll just delete the offending content, or add attribution later, and pretend that it never happened.
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how do you know that their own content isnt any good . . . if you dont support, read or click them? i do hate the borrowing of others and calling it your own though. thats why i am on the fence with big freedia. bitch borrow so much, she cant even put out an album.
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From what I have heard big news publications like the Washington Post do the same thing. Take a wire service article and put their names on it. Maybe the editor was hopeful of getting a better job and was practiciing.
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how do you know that their own content isnt any good . . . if you dont support, read or click them? i do hate the borrowing of others and calling it your own though. thats why i am on the fence with big freedia. bitch borrow so much, she cant even put out an album.
Maybe because I *used* to read it when I first moved back to DC and didn't know any better? Or maybe someone will occasionally alert me to some particularly heinous "writing" of theirs?
They're nonplussed, though: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2013/03/26/brightest-young-things-editor-accused-of-plagiarism/
As for using wire services, newspapers ATTRIBUTE the wire services. It's the lack of attribution that makes it unethical plagiarism.
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I won a pair of Devendra Banhart tickets off that site back in 2007ish and don't think I've been on since.
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the plot thickens:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2013/03/26/even-more-plagiarism-from-brightest-young-things/
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This guy (http://twitter.com/dc_phelps) got all butt hurt about my BYT tweets and decided to let me know. For a good hour. Sweet revisionist history he has there.
But back to the topic at hand, watching this all unfold on Twitter was crazy.
Edit: And now you can watch it all, too. http://storify.com/marissacetin/bright-young-thing-s-managing-editor-lifts-from-ot
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The content on BYT's site has now been edited yet again, and all external content has been completely removed. There's a note at the top of the article that reads:
Ed Note: This post has been updated to include only original content produced by BYT writers.
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The content on BYT's site has now been edited yet again, and all external content has been completely removed. There's a note at the top of the article that reads:
Ed Note: This post has been updated to include only original content produced by BYT writers.
well this whole fiasco probably only helps them because does anyone even know about this site?
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Maybe they'll just get sued by every publication they stole from & it will put them out of business...
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Maybe they'll just get sued by every publication they stole from & it will put them out of business...
No one is going to sue them. What would that accomplish? You would spend more money on legal bills than you could ever get from a blog.
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a blog (that has advertisers & paid staff)/"event production" company...
copyright law provides for statutory damages, as well as injunctions and impoundment and disposition of infringing material...
Businesses that value their IP highly enough don't care if infringers can pay. They sue to deter future infringers.
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As egregious as BYT lifting content wholesale and posting it without sourcing or attribution, I can tell you from first hand experience that both WCP online and DCist have run with our content unattributed, so for them to be calling out BYT is a bit ridiculous and hypocritical. (My comment to this effect at DCist went unpublished...)
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As egregious as BYT lifting content wholesale and posting it without sourcing or attribution, I can tell you from first hand experience that both WCP online and DCist have run with our content unattributed, so for them to be calling out BYT is a bit ridiculous and hypocritical. (My comment to this effect at DCist went unpublished...)
what publication/source are you from? who is "we"? sorry i don't recognize you...
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The Vinyl District (TVD)
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http://twitter.com/marissacetin/status/317116363032387586
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Good! They took some accountability.
The Vinyl District (TVD)
When I saw a user called TVD my first thought was "The Vinyl District???" haha.
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http://dcist.com/2013/03/brightest_young_things_dismisses_pl.php
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this is a new BYT thing:
In an ongoing effort to bring our readers more and more AND MORE, BYT is proud to launch today:
BYT VIPERS: All Access, All The Time
This is a special monthly package deal dedicated to keeping you (even more) on the cutting edge/the envy of everyone around you.
What?s this all about? I hear you say. There must be a catch!
No catch. Just straight up this: For $11/month (that?s less than the price of a decent sixpack), you get priority access to some of the special little things that come our way:
* Paid reserves at select (already) sold-out shows
* hugs-heavy bus trips to where-the-hell-is-that venues like Merriweather Post Pavilion
* pre-release MP3s and promo CD downloads
* members-only ticket giveaways and discounts
* priority line-jumping at BYT events
* tons of loot we get from labels and PR people that we don?t know what to do with
* exclusive pre-pre-pre-sales
* monthly secret happy hours where you can huddle amongst the rest of the VIPER elite + pick up extra schwag
* super sweet Vipers-only pow wows with some of your favorite musicians, artists and local celebs
* and, well, anything else we can think of.
Think of it as buying a bunch of little surprises for yourself. Give yourself a gift. Don?t think about it, don?t plan it, just do it. Repeat after us:
For starters, everyone who signs up will be getting a very special MP3 zip entitled ?Our favorite Music Right Now? (which is exactly what your tortured Ipod needs right now, and already worth more than this month?s subscription price), and a special invite to our first VIPERS ONLY happy hour at one of the coolest spots in DC.
You can sign up anytime but here is an EARLY BIRD/EARLY ADOPTER BONUS:
Everyone who signs up before lunchtime today is also entered to win:
* A pair of tickets to the yet-to-be-announced-but-totally-fucking-awesome BYT Presents: PRANCIN? (A Derby Day Party) on May 4th (approx. retail value $160 ? hello, open bar & pony rides!!)
* Tickets to tonight?s opening performance of SPAMALOT at the National Theatre (Retail value: $120)
* A special promo code for 10% off all other SPAMALOT at the National Theatre performances
* Tickets to sold-out concerts this week like:
* HOT CHIP at 9:30 Club (4/10)
* COLD WAR KIDS at 9:30 Club (4/11)
* WAVVES at Rock & Roll Hotel (4/13)
* Tickets to not-sold-out but still totally worth your time concerts like
* 2 BEARS (feat. Joe Goddard of HOT CHIP) at UHall (4/10)
* JAMIE LIDELL at Rock & Roll Hotel (4/12)
* DRAG SALUTE TO THE DIVAS at The Howard Theatre (4/14)
* SWEETLIFE FESTIVAL at Merriweather Post Pavilion (5/11)
* BYT Benzen Ball T-shirts + whatever else we have laying around the office
And that is just for today. Expect a million more things like this coming at you (pretty much) all the time.
Where do I sign up? I hear you say. WHERE? Riiiiiiiiight?.HERE.
Click the PayPal subscription button below to shell out your $11/month and become a BYT VIPER(!!!!)
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It's like a post-collegiate hipster frat now.
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i wonder which marketing genius came up with the name "viper".
i saw this announcement and decided against posting it here. last thing they need is more free advertizing.
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because cougar was already taken... and what a way to run a business, charge people a fee to get access to stuff other businesses give you for free. hope everyone enjoys their GEICO beer koozies swag
i'm also shocked that the most over used and incorrectly applied marketing term isn't mention here.. CURATE.
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I swear MonkeyPants sent me this announcement a long time ago. Did it fail the first time and are they giving it another go?
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Correct. This is NOT a "new" BYT thing, although they say they just "launched" it. They actually launched it with the exact same name in 2009: http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=13036.msg289046#msg289046
The thing is, they removed ALL of their old content after the Logan Donaldson scandal, so no one can actually see anything about the old program. It's the same, only it seems way more shady now because they should know better than to sell music they get for free and to resell MP3s and tickets. It is one thing to sell access to your own events and your own content, but this doesn't seem kosher.
I think all their past subscribers aged out of the system so no one remembers that this is an old thing. Maybe they're also trying to get some cool points and cash flow after the scandal with their former managing editor.
The best approach, as with all things BYT related, is to simply ignore them.
On the upside, at least 9:30 did start a benefit program for its own customers! :D
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The VIPer thing has been around for a couple years now. I didn't know it was something you paid monthly for though. Who would pay them to be a douchebag? I guess other douchebags.... I constantly tweet to them about sucking and booking me for DJ gigs and they respond real sarcastically and favorite my tweets lol. Fuckers. I tell them I want to bang all their pale, 20 year old interns.
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The VIPer thing has been around for a couple years now. I didn't know it was something you paid monthly for though. Who would pay them to be a douchebag? I guess other douchebags.... I constantly tweet to them about sucking and booking me for DJ gigs and they respond real sarcastically and favorite my tweets lol. Fuckers. I tell them I want to bang all their pale, 20 year old interns.
link?
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I'll have to go through my tweets, I tweet like a mad man so it might be archived by now, or whatever they do.
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The VIPer thing has been around for a couple years now. I didn't know it was something you paid monthly for though. Who would pay them to be a douchebag? I guess other douchebags.... I constantly tweet to them about sucking and booking me for DJ gigs and they respond real sarcastically and favorite my tweets lol. Fuckers. I tell them I want to bang all their pale, 20 year old interns.
this is something i would follow on twitter.
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Which the 9:30 Club is now promoting?! on their Facebook page. Thumbs down.
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oh 930 club what are you doing?? This Vipers thing
is the very definition of douche.. is just real silly...