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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Bagley on May 21, 2013, 09:23:20 am
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http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/05/10-obnoxious-things-hipsters-say-about-music/s/172822/
How guilty are you?
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http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/05/10-obnoxious-things-hipsters-say-about-music/s/172822/
How guilty are you?
Not guilty at all. But I do hate websites that don't show you everything and make you click next to see the next item in the list. Who doesn't hate that? Someone should create a list things obnoxious websites do in their site design.
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I will admit to the first one. I have done that plenty. Actually just did it sort of with Cat Power.
And if you have signed a major label contract in the last ten years, the odds strongly are that your pre-major label work was superior due to your major label overlords' attempt to micromanage you.
Oh and yeah the multiple clicking is a pain in the ass for sure.
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If you talk about music with people, you're going to say some of those things eventually. I don't think those comments are obnoxious.
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I will admit to the first one. I have done that plenty. Actually just did it sort of with Cat Power.
And if you have signed a major label contract in the last ten years, the odds strongly are that your pre-major label work was superior due to your major label overlords' attempt to micromanage you.
Oh and yeah the multiple clicking is a pain in the ass for sure.
It could be that when bands sign to major labels they get more money and attention so they don't have as much time or incentive to work on their music. Also bands lose talented members as they go along.
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More money is a myth and the attention might increase but is fleeting. Just ask Steve Albini circa 1993. (http://www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=17) I would be curious as to how the numbers have changed today. I bet they are even worse for artists.
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The only one I found to be particularly gross is "it's the most important album of the decade". I don't consider albums to be important. They're things that I listen to and enjoy, and I like hearing what other people enjoy. Having enough food to eat is important. Shelter is important. Education is important. But not a Radiohead LP.
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If you talk about music with people, you're going to say some of those things eventually. I don't think those comments are obnoxious.
Pretty much my take as well. I've heard much of this for decades.
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Try telling that to Katy Perry OR Avril Lavigne!!!!!
Having enough food to eat is important. Shelter is important. Education is important. But not a Radiohead LP.
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More money is a myth and the attention might increase but is fleeting. Just ask Steve Albini circa 1993. (http://www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=17) I would be curious as to how the numbers have changed today. I bet they are even worse for artists.
Independent labels have replaced the majors, and apparently some have become pretty greedy. I think money is still being made, not so much from record sales but from licensing and touring. Put a song on a TV show or in a movie or whatever and I'll bet there's some good bucks in that. I often wonder how all these bands can exist and make money, but when I hear how much they can get guaranteed just for showing up and playing a gig, it's easy to see why so many musicians tour now. The money made in selling a record has evaporated. And the music industry was naive to see that was changing. The industry has adapted and evolved though. But eventually unless you own the rights to the music you make, you'll get screwed the way that Albini highlighted.
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Try telling that to Katy Perry OR Avril Lavigne!!!!!
Having enough food to eat is important. Shelter is important. Education is important. But not a Radiohead LP.
Does Avril still have fans? I guess Katy Perry does. I don't know much about pop music.
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I've said some of these things.
Not being good live, into them 2 years ago [it happens!], I usually don't think any remixes are better of songs I already like, sometimes the single is the 'worst' song on the album, sometimes the radio does ruin songs.
*pushes up thick nerd glasses*
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It is true that live guarantees have gone through the roof.
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The demo is so much better.
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The demo is so much better.
Sometimes it is, LOL. I love the druggy, cough syrup-on-glue demo of "I Don't Care" by the Ramones. Sounds more like Wire than the Ramones.
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Yeah. Sometimes this stuff is just true. Of Montreal live is horrendous overly theatrics-reliant bullshit.
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Yeah. Sometimes this stuff is just true. Of Montreal live is horrendous overly theatrics-reliant bullshit.
Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
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Yeah. Sometimes this stuff is just true. Of Montreal live is horrendous overly theatrics-reliant bullshit.
Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
If they're so good live why don't get play Verizon Center.
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Yeah. Sometimes this stuff is just true. Of Montreal live is horrendous overly theatrics-reliant bullshit.
Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
If they're so good live why don't get play Verizon Center.
they're playing the flying dog brewery in fredneck, Md - same thing, amirite?
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Yeah. Sometimes this stuff is just true. Of Montreal live is horrendous overly theatrics-reliant bullshit.
Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
If they're so good live why don't get play Verizon Center.
Because they aren't as good on album.
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so what you are saying is that they don't practice/rehearse before they record? The songs suddenly become better live?
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so what you are saying is that they don't practice/rehearse before they record? The songs suddenly become better live?
Some bands are better live for whatever reason. Flaming Lips are better live as well. And Scissor Sisters. Other bands are awful live like Radiohead.
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
Seriously, terrible live band.
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It sounds as if Azag is more focused on the aural quality of the show, whereas perhaps Atomic is more focused on the visual part of the show. Would they be fair to say?
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
Seriously, terrible live band.
Wayne can't sing for piss live, but it's a fun show nonetheless.
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
Seriously, terrible live band.
Wayne can't sing for piss live, but it's a fun show nonetheless.
And they've been milking the same set for close to a decade now too.
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
Seriously, terrible live band.
Wayne can't sing for piss live, but it's a fun show nonetheless.
And they've been milking the same set for close to a decade now too.
Their records have actually gotten really good though.
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saw Flaming Lips twice..once at the Black Cat which was a bizzaroo show where they had like 50 tape decks and called people from audience and gave them a tape deck and then Wayne played orchestra leader or something flapping his arms for people to push play on their deck or push stop....that was a weird show but somewhat interesting..
The second time was like 2003 or something at the club...the one with the costumes and bubbles and all that stuff... was pretty bored by the end... the emphasis was not on the music...no interest in seeing them again...
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i once saw the flaming lips while tripping on mescaline.
they were not the same after that. damn you drugs.
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i once saw the flaming lips while tripping on mescaline.
they were not the same after that. damn you drugs.
:D
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Does Avril still have fans?
She put on a pretty good show at KIIS FM's Wango Tango show in LA two weeks ago. She's got some motherly hips and boobs now too.
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i once saw the flaming lips while tripping on mescaline.
they were not the same after that. damn you drugs.
I once saw the Flaming Lips and thought I was tripping on mescaline.
I have not been the same after that. Thank you Flaming Lips.
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Sometimes it helps to know what to expect. I've only seen FL once, at MPP in 2009, and it was enjoyable. It's like a popcorn movie. You go for the ride, just as long as they don't overreach one's suspension of disbelief (e.g. 2012).
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Flaming Lips are a stupid sideshow live too.
Seriously, terrible live band.
Wayne can't sing for piss live, but it's a fun show nonetheless.
And they've been milking the same set for close to a decade now too.
Flaming Lips are a terrible live band but you have seen them do sets for over a decade. Anyway that isn't true. Their set I saw at MPP about 5 years ago was different than their sets I saw at Lollapalooza and Virgin.
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You can look at a setlist and not go to a show.
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The show I was referencing was at the 930 club and was in the early 2000's.
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i once saw the flaming lips while tripping on mescaline.
they were not the same after that. damn you drugs.
I once saw the Flaming Lips and thought I was tripping on mescaline.
I have not been the same after that. Thank you Flaming Lips.
I felt that way when I saw them at the Peach Pit (After Dark).
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The show I was referencing was at the 930 club and was in the early 2000's.
4/20/03 to be exact... I think.
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Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
Not sure if serious.
I left midway through their set when they headlined for Janelle Monae (who stole the show). OM were awful.
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You can look at a setlist and not go to a show.
Agreed. Tool is a great example (tho I'd expect most people here to hate them).
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You can look at a setlist and not go to a show.
Well if anyone looked at the setlists they would realize that the setlists now are nothing like the ones five years ago much less ten years ago. So the obvious answer is they did not look at setlists.
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Of Montreal is one of the best live bands in the world.
Not sure if serious.
I left midway through their set when they headlined for Janelle Monae (who stole the show). OM were awful.
Why would I not be serious? They make best live band lists from magazines. Just because you did not like them doesn't mean they aren't great.
I would add CSS as a band that is better live than on vinyl.
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Not sure if serious.
are you new here? you can ask yourself this of most of his opinions...
You can look at a setlist and not go to a show.
Agreed. Tool is a great example (tho I'd expect most people here to hate them).
are you saying Tool is a kind of show that you don't need to attend, that just knowing the setlist is enough?
Why would I not be serious? They make best live band lists from magazines. Just because you did not like them doesn't mean they aren't great.
i must have missed these lists - could you please provide a few examples?
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Not sure if serious.
are you new here? you can ask yourself this of most of his opinions...
You can look at a setlist and not go to a show.
Agreed. Tool is a great example (tho I'd expect most people here to hate them).
are you saying Tool is a kind of show that you don't need to attend, that just knowing the setlist is enough?
Why would I not be serious? They make best live band lists from magazines. Just because you did not like them doesn't mean they aren't great.
i must have missed these lists - could you please provide a few examples?
Pick their latest list compare to their show at Virgin Fest. Notice differences.
And my opinion is pretty standard. People love Of Montreal live. What is not to like. They put on a great show. I haven't seen them in the last couple of years but their past shows were shows for the ages.
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are you saying Tool is a kind of show that you don't need to attend, that just knowing the setlist is enough?
No - maybe I misunderstood the original quote.
Their setlist over the paast couple tours did not change dramatically and I passed on shows after finding out the setlist was nearly identical to a pair of shows I had seen a year or two earlier.
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The show I was referencing was at the 930 club and was in the early 2000's.
4/20/03 to be exact... I think.
It was Easter as well. I wondered if there were always people dressed in rabbit suits on stage. I want to say that they played that "Thank You Jack White (for that fiber-optic Jesus that you gave me)"
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The show I was referencing was at the 930 club and was in the early 2000's.
4/20/03 to be exact... I think.
It was Easter as well. I wondered if there were always people dressed in rabbit suits on stage. I want to say that they played that "Thank You Jack White (for that fiber-optic Jesus that you gave me)"
they did!
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The show I was referencing was at the 930 club and was in the early 2000's.
4/20/03 to be exact... I think.
It was Easter as well. I wondered if there were always people dressed in rabbit suits on stage. I want to say that they played that "Thank You Jack White (for that fiber-optic Jesus that you gave me)"
they did!
I thought so, but I saw them open up for String Cheese Incident at the Patriot Center a few months later, so I wasn't positive.
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No you got it right.
are you saying Tool is a kind of show that you don't need to attend, that just knowing the setlist is enough?
No - maybe I misunderstood the original quote.
Their setlist over the paast couple tours did not change dramatically and I passed on shows after finding out the setlist was nearly identical to a pair of shows I had seen a year or two earlier.