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George Papadopoulos (ok that's cheating)
Stone and sheriff joe
but want to hear some of your best guesses
I mean, there are not that many Trumpeetes in jail to pardon. I mean just give it time, a lot of crime will be prosecuted. Thank goodness the get out of jail free card isn't in the constitution.
I'm sure he's got a lot of mafia and Russian favors that he could collect big on...and it really wouldn't surprise me if he did
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Failed state
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are crimes against integers a state or federal crime? because i know someone here who needs a pardon for the inanity of a certain thread...
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Esformes sounds very on brand
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article234993252.html
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Even more on brand
The pardons included former GOP Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Chris Collins of New York. Hunter pleaded guilty to stealing campaign funds and Collins admitted he helped his son and others dodge $800,000 in stock market losses.
and of course, convicted war criminals are always good fodder for his base
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well...not quite a pardon, but even better and very on brand
Trump administration considering immunity for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
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So gross
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How about a pardon for Seth Hurwitz?
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How about a pardon for Seth Hurwitz?
Seth's level of disgusting sex creep sadly does not rise to the level of federal crime where Trump can issue a pardon. Now, if Seth starts sourcing his masseuses from overseas or goes full NXIVM, maybe . . .
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I think you need to support Trump to get a Pardon
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Did you guys see the end result in the Bob Kraft masseuse issue? Not only were charges dropped but they charged some people working in the establishment!
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^bizzare. Although the human trafficking charge wasn't really a thing, but they tried to push that in the narrative.
It's still not illegal to be a 'John' in those transactions...now if you are not offering, that is a different situation
Ok I really don't understand some of these...because they are already out of prison?
ALFRED LEE CRUM:
The 89-year-old pleaded guilty in 1952 — when he was 19 — to helping his wife’s uncle illegally distill moonshine. He served three years of probation and paid a $250 fine.
this one too, totally support the intent, but he was already free?
5 years for 3 transactions totalling $350 in weed and no previous criminal record!
WELDON ANGELOS:
Angelos was 24 years old when he was sentenced in 2004 to 55 years in prison for bringing guns to marijuana deals, a sentence a federal judge was forced to impose because of mandatory minimum sentencing laws. He had no criminal record before he was convicted of selling $350 worth of marijuana to a police informant three times and prosecutors argued he was a gang member who carried a gun during two of those deals, though he was not accused of using or showing a weapon. The music producer was freed from prison in 2016. Utah Sen. Mike Lee petitioned former President Barack Obama to grant clemency to Angelos, as did the former federal judge who sentenced Angelos. Obama did not commute Angelos’ sentence but the man was instead released from prison after receiving a sentence reduction in court.
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Roger Stone and Paul Manafort we all assumed, so in case you were ever wondering why they stopped cooperating over Russia, you can stop wondering.
Jared's father Charles also pardoned as well as Duncan Hunter's wife.
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Failed state
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Roger Stone and Paul Manafort we all assumed, so in case you were ever wondering why they stopped cooperating over Russia, you can stop wondering.
Jared's father Charles also pardoned as well as Duncan Hunter's wife.
So isn’t there a risk that those pardoned can now testify against you because there is less risk for them going to jail (not that those two would turn, but they are all scumbags, so not unbelievable)
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So the thread on his pardons....If you are a Law Officer accused of brutality or racism OR you were convicted on some FEC/ violation
OR committed some Medicare fraud OR real estate/investment scam.
(ok even I will admit...there were a few (not listed here) that I thought were legit and justified a pardon)
JOHN TATE AND JESSE BENTON
The men were top staffers on Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign and convicted in 2016 of causing false records and campaign expenditure reports to be filed to the Federal Election Commission.
STEPHANIE MOHR
The former Maryland police officer was convicted in 2001 of violating a homeless man’s civil rights by letting her police dog attack him even though he had surrendered.
JAMES BATMASIAN
real-estate investor in South Florida. He pleaded guilty to cheating the federal government out of more than $250,000 by failing to pay federal taxes for employees at his company.
GARY BRUGMAN
The former U.S. Border Patrol agent was convicted of striking and violating the civil rights of a man who had crossed the U.S. border illegally.
MARY MCCARTY
McCarty, a former county commissioner in Palm Beach County, Florida, was issued a full pardon on Wednesday. She was convicted of a federal criminal charge for honest services fraud.
This was a nice touch...White House said her pardon was supported by Christopher Ruddy, the CEO of Newsmax Media.
MARK SILJANDER
Michigan congressman was convicted of obstructing justice and failing to register as a foreign agent. He was sentenced to serve more than a year in prison after being accused of accepting stolen funds on behalf of a Missouri charity with alleged terrorism ties.
ROBERT COUGHLIN
Coughlin worked in the Justice Department and was convicted of a conflict of interest charge for his role in the influence peddling scandal surrounding former lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
JOSEPH OCCHIPINTI
an agent with the INS was convicted in 1991 of conspiracy to violate civil rights ...he illegally detained and searched Hispanic store owners in New York City and then made false statements to cover-up those activities.
RICKEY KANTER
Kanter founded a company known as Dr. Comfort, selling special shoes and inserts for diabetics, and was convicted of mail fraud tied to illegal Medicare reimbursements.
DANIELA GOZES-WAGNER
The Houston woman was convicted in a $50 million health care fraud scheme in 2017
MARK SHAPIRO AND IRVING STITSKY
Trump commuted Shapiro and Stitsky’s sentences after they were convicted in federal court in New York of defrauding more than 250 people in a $23 million real estate scam.
ANDREW BARRON WORDEN
runs an investment firm was convicted of wire fraud in 1998. Records from SEC show Worden was accused of defrauding several brokerage firms out of more than $130,000
WILLIAM J. PLEMONS JR.
Plemons was convicted of various financial crimes in the late 1990s and early 2000s
JAMES KASSOUF
Kassouf pleaded guilty in 1989 to a federal tax offense.
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Trump has destroyed the meaning of the pardon power
Yes there have been occasional politically motivated pardons but not on this magnitude or scale
This is just sad and pathetic and GROSS
This don’t happen in any other developed country and it doesn’t even happen in most developing countries
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Roger Stone and Paul Manafort we all assumed, so in case you were ever wondering why they stopped cooperating over Russia, you can stop wondering.
Jared's father Charles also pardoned as well as Duncan Hunter's wife.
So isn’t there a risk that those pardoned can now testify against you because there is less risk for them going to jail (not that those two would turn, but they are all scumbags, so not unbelievable)
per Andrew Weissmann, former lead prosecutor for Robert Mueller: you haul the pardonees in front of a grand jury and ask them about the pardon, was there a quid pro quo, etc. they plead the fifth so you immunize them, taking away the risk of self-incrimination... then they have a choice: spill the beans on trump or risk contempt of court. source: How Trump's Pardons Of Russia Figures Could Backfire If He Is Prosecuted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLZSTpazGi4).
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My guess: Hitler, Sirhan Sirhan, every confederate General, Mark David Chapman and OJ?
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Snowden is being considered?
he did expose stuff the Gov't was doing that was clearly illegal, so there is something to that
The whole Russian involvement just makes it weird with Trump
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Anyone think that congress should act to remove this power temporarily
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Anyone think that congress should act to remove this power temporarily
how would they do that? the power of the pardon is literally written into the constitution. would require an amendment.
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Anyone think that congress should act to remove this power temporarily
how would they do that? the power of the pardon is literally written into the constitution. would require an amendment.
Agreed, but I'm concerned he's going to "pardon the patriots"
(putting the riot back in patriot)
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Agreed, but I'm concerned he's going to "pardon the patriots"
(putting the riot back in patriot)
He 100% will so prepare yourself for it.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533467-man-spotted-carrying-speakers-lectern-arrested-in-florida
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final hours and a few pardons yet to deliver....
any guesses?
TigerKing
Assange
Capitol Rioters
Guy Fawkes
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final hours and a few pardons yet to deliver....
any guesses?
TigerKing
Assange
Capitol Rioters
Guy Fawkes
I predict none of these folks get one.
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I predict none of these folks get one.
you must be fun at parties
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I predict none of these folks get one.
you must be fun at parties
I think lots of more boring people will get pardons, fwiw.
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Tigerking was trending on Twitter...but not related to the pardon...drats
but word is some weird limo is waiting to pick the tigerking up from prison
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1351621900640931841?s=20
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The message is clear if you are a corrupt politician who gets caught just wait for a Republican president to get elected... also be sure to defraud a bunch of people who felt a wall was important
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Liddle Wayne, Harry-o and Kodak black ... didn’t realize Trump was such a modern hip hop fan
Also a Miami guy from the varsity blues thing (sorry aunt Becky... none for you)
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Kwame Kilpatrick will be racking in millions through graft and getting hummers in the Bens Chili Bowl bathroom by the time the week is out. Wild.
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Well anything is truly possible in life when you lead bible study for your fellow inmates and get Diamond and Silk on your side... oh that stealing 5 million from the city of Detroit
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HA!
White House Warns People Buying Pardons That Counterfeit Pardons Are Being Sold Online
By Andy Borowitz
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Agreed, but I'm concerned he's going to "pardon the patriots"
(putting the riot back in patriot)
He 100% will so prepare yourself for it.
I am SHOCKED he didn't (politically and personally) and apparently I'm not alone:
‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/proud-boys-trump.html)
On social media, Proud Boys participants have complained about his willingness to leave office and said his disavowal of the Capitol rampage was an act of betrayal. And Mr. Trump, cut off on Facebook and Twitter, has been unable to talk directly to them to soothe their concerns or issue new rallying cries.
The Proud Boys’ anger toward Mr. Trump has heightened after he did nothing to help those in the group who face legal action for the Capitol violence.
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Liddle Wayne, Harry-o and Kodak black ... didn’t realize Trump was such a modern hip hop fan
Lil Wayne met with the president in October, two months before pleading guilty to a federal gun charge.
I'm sure it was just a coincidence.
I could see a tax charge coming if Trump doesn't declare the income from these sales of pardons...
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Liddle Wayne, Harry-o and Kodak black ... didn’t realize Trump was such a modern hip hop fan
Lil Wayne met with the president in October, two months before pleading guilty to a federal gun charge.
I'm sure it was just a coincidence.
I could see a tax charge coming if Trump doesn't declare the income from these sales of pardons...
that the pardonees paid for their reprieves is the more nefarious explanation, and the one i hope is true - so the feds can follow up and jail all involved, including el cheeto.
however, lil' wayne vocally endorsed trump shortly before the election. trump could have pardoned him based solely on "loyalty" ("hey, he liked me, so i like him"). even if it was a quid pro quo - "you endorse me, and i'll make the gun charges disappear" - it would be harder to proved vs. cash payments, since money leaves a trail and hand-shake agreements rarely do.
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interesting NYT thread on the Pay for Pardon game and how a lot of grifters made a lot of money promising they could get a pardon for trump...some didn't happen, but they still cashed the checks
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1351771621221142535
MATT SCHLAPP was hired to lobby TRUMP for a pardon for Trump donor PETE PETIT.
disclosed yesterday he was paid $750k for that work between 12/17 & 12/31.
* Petit didn't get pardoned
Josh Nass was paid a total of $100k last month to seek clemency for 4 different people, none of whom got pardons or commutations from TRUMP.
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interesting NYT thread on the Pay for Pardon game and how a lot of grifters made a lot of money promising they could get a pardon for trump...some didn't happen, but they still cashed the checks
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1351771621221142535
MATT SCHLAPP was hired to lobby TRUMP for a pardon for Trump donor PETE PETIT.
disclosed yesterday he was paid $750k for that work between 12/17 & 12/31.
* Petit didn't get pardoned
Josh Nass was paid a total of $100k last month to seek clemency for 4 different people, none of whom got pardons or commutations from TRUMP.
So they hired professional mercy seekers who couldn't deliver. Caveat emptor. Hell of a grift but probably not illegal unless guarantees were offered.
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My guess: Hitler, Sirhan Sirhan, every confederate General, Mark David Chapman and OJ?
Sirhan Sirhan, paroled.
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My guess: Hitler, Sirhan Sirhan, every confederate General, Mark David Chapman and OJ?
Sirhan Sirhan, paroled.
i believe that he was recommended for parole, but parole hasn't been granted yet.
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My guess: Hitler, Sirhan Sirhan, every confederate General, Mark David Chapman and OJ?
Sirhan Sirhan, paroled.
i believe that he was recommended for parole, but parole hasn't been granted yet.
Nope he's parolled.
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Jan 6 defendants are on the table apparently
this shit is just crazy and not sure how those who vote R can't see this is not how real democracies run...but here we are
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not sure how those who vote R can't see this is not how real democracies run...
GOP'ers are either willing to trade democracy for power, or are tolerant of their leaders who believe that.