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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Starsky on June 14, 2021, 10:38:53 am
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Both major tournaments (well one major and one pretend major) being played at same time for first time?!
That Eriksen heart attack and being revived was maybe craziest thing I ever seen on tv! Glad he is ok
I got France or Belgium winning although for first time ever I want England
In Copa America I got Brazil…obviously rooting for Argentina which gave up hosting due to covid concerns only to see Brazil host yet again as they hosted and won 2019!! DOH
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Czech Republic 2 Scotland 0
That second goal
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tuEyDnTA0Sc
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OK, that goalie getting caught in the net like a fish is hilarious. This is the first soccer thing I've ever liked.
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OK, that goalie getting caught in the net like a fish is hilarious. This is the first soccer thing I've ever liked.
Soccer is the Frank Turner of sports, discuss.
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Slovakia upsets Poland 2-1
A good day for Czech o Slovakia
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Argentina v Chile kickoff in an hour in Brazil!
Just last week these same teams played to a 1-1 draw in World Cup qualifying
Covid has made a mockery of the soccer calendar
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OK, that goalie getting caught in the net like a fish is hilarious. This is the first soccer thing I've ever liked.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E32dGCkX0Ao3Cod?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Again Argentina- Chile 1-1
Nice goal by Messi..he is deadly on free kicks which covers for fact he is no longer as good on run of play and means he will be able to extend his career a few years
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq9VbNPVyO4
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Spain did their Barcelona thing with 75% possession time but couldn’t score so 0-0 against Sweden
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These ties are really pulling in the stragglers
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France-Germany at 3 pm today!
This is THE game to watch!
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Again Argentina- Chile 1-1
Nice goal by Messi..he is deadly on free kicks which covers for fact he is no longer as good on run of play and means he will be able to extend his career a few years
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq9VbNPVyO4
Argentina looked like utter trash in the second half. Maybe Chile shouldn't be written off already.
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Argentina which gave up hosting due to covid concerns only to see Brazil host yet again
i'm still at a loss to explain this move. the argies couldn't host because of covid, so let's more the party to brazil... that has even worse covid???
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Argentina definitely looks terrible always nowadays …since 15 years ago
The current situation is a manager with zero previous managerial experience
Tactically he seems to believe there is no need for a holding midfielder so opponents just run through the midfield at will
Last three games Argentina had been leading only to surrender goal and end up with draw… first time in Argentina national team history that has happened
This tournament has 10 teams of which EIGHT will make it to knockout phase!
Blame South American soccer federation for holding tournament in these circumstances.. corruption
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Portugal 🇵🇹 3 - Hungary 🇭🇺 0
Took them almost the entire game to break through but then they poured it on…. Two more Euro goals for Cristiano Ronaldo…
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France-Germany at 3 pm today!
This is THE game to watch!
And just like that...France.
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France have benefitted from four own goals this season (v Croatia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan & Germany) - their highest tally in history. Lucky
least it wasn't a tie ;)
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Those blue guys are killing it!
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i'm still at a loss to explain this move. the argies couldn't host because of covid, so let's more the party to brazil... that has even worse covid???
It's pretty simple. Bolsonaro is a butcher and he is desperate to pretend that everything is A-OK in Brazil. Also, he probably cut Conmebol a sweeter deal than they would have got scheduling US venues at the last minute, unfortunately.
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CONMEBOL probably also paranoid it’s officials might be arrested for corruption in the US
It also must be admitted that covid numbers on a per capita basis have been worse lately in Argentina than Brazil; sadly amongst the worst in the world. Argentina has been losing about 600 people a day which adjusted for population is around 4400 for the US! It’s bad down there…
This Copa America should have been played in the US or not played at all
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Sort of unrelated but it’s 15 years since my favorite goal of all time.. I still get goosebumps
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iBZdcpdxoTA
For English speakers this commentator gets it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=COe5Y29-BZY&t=7s
The count by the way is 26
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3Om0WfErA
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The goal was pretty nice, but my first thought was about the incredible passing that led up to that...26, pretty amazing stuff
almost seemed like the other team wasn't there, but they were actually trying hard to stop them
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Well that’s the point!! It’s a collective goal! All 26 passes are the goal! The last touch goes in the net
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Belgium 2 - Denmark 1
That last Belgium goal! That’s how you play
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_L-a_kNHM
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Portugal - Germany is a cracker
1-2 at halftime and Portuguese players have scored all three goals so far!
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Denmark beats Russia 4-1 to advance to knockout phase making everyone happy
Really lost any respect for UEFA when they made Denmark play their opener just a few hours after Eriksen died and was brought back to life on the pitch
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New angle on the goal 35 years ago today
I remember exactly where I was watching…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=icBYJMZur2U
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New angle on the goal 35 years ago today
#notthehandofgodgoal
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It’s also 35 years from that one…
I think it’s remarkable the amount of whining some people do about it… as if the goal changed the result…Nobody was going to beat Maradona that World Cup. After Argentina was up 2-0 it basically lay back and England managed to get one back. Just like when Argentina was up 2-0 against Germany and it laid back and Germany tied it up in the final only for Maradona to thread a beautiful pass for the 3-2 winner… It would have been the same end result that day. But I do find it enjoyable on some extra level that after the hand of god Maradona did that to England like “You didn’t like that? How about this one?”
I remember that day…watching with family in Menlo Park and after the hand of god goal trying to figure it out..those where the days of smaller TVs…not hdtv…Univision not exactly renown for their camera angles etc although it was probably a feed but again not a million cameras like now.. my dad insisting Maradona had headed it in! That was embarrassing…
It’s just remarkable to me: you have the goal of the century and you are going to focus on the hand of god you whiny bitch? Really?
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And on the 35th anniversary of these goals I root for England 🏴!!
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Spain up 5-0 over Slovaks
Two more own goals
What is going on with own goals?
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Sweden 3 - Poland 2
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What is going on with own goals?
Americans wanted more goals....not really the way I was thinking it would be done, but getting those numbers up!
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Sentimental faves Denmark up 2-0 against Wales at 63 minute mark in Euro round of 16.
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Final score 4-0
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Geebus what a day at euros and not over yet!
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Wow Switzerland…that was exciting
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Are we supposed to start saying ITS COME HOME now or do we wait for one more victory before jinxing England to choke like dogs? Please advise.
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England 2 - Germany 0
Sometimes things work out ..after 54 years in a major tournament
I thought Germany looked a lot better in the first half but looking better doesn’t win games and that’s why you play the game
A weird Germany team…no deadly killer instinct and no comeback..these are traits built in their DNA over decades
Seeing German goalie still gives me convulsions and a rage attack ..no team has fucked with my well-being harder..
I would be shocked if England won tournament but rooting for them cause they have earned it with their Premier League: the best soccer in the world
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Ukraine 2- Sweden 1
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serious question....Is Own Goal eligible for the Golden Boot? Top scorer in the tourny with 9 in the net
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Italy 2 - Belgium 1 at half
Great game so far…
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Statement win
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serious question....Is Own Goal eligible for the Golden Boot? Top scorer in the tourny with 9 in the net
This is not a serious question
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Screw England
Tonight is Argentina vs Colombia in a Copa America semi with the right to play Brazil on Saturday.
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serious question....Is Own Goal eligible for the Golden Boot? Top scorer in the tourny with 9 in the net
This is not a serious question
can confirm, but funny nonetheless
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Screw England
Tonight is Argentina vs Colombia in a Copa America semi with the right to play Brazil on Saturday.
Yes…following closely…games have been tight in Copa America
Stingy, cowardly, chopped up play and unsportsmanlike behavior have been prevalent unlike Eurocup…
Latin American soccer definitely hurting…and I think on a real decline
Like many Argentines and even people around the world I wish Messi could get a tournament win with Argentina almost more than I wish to see Argentina win…guy has put in the time! 148 games with national team…but it takes an entire team and luck… Brazil is certainly the favorite to repeat as champions no matter who they play
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Italy gets by Spain in pks and into finals
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Argentina gets by - suffering- Colombia in pks and will face Brazil in final in Brazil
The best news for Argentina regardless of what happens is that in this tournament Argentina- with so many problems- has found it’s goalkeeper Emiliano “Dibu” Martinez who plays club soccer for Aston Villa.
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;D
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UK twitter is going mental at the moment..
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Yes…following closely…games have been tight in Copa America
Stingy, cowardly, chopped up play and unsportsmanlike behavior have been prevalent unlike Eurocup…
Latin American soccer definitely hurting…and I think on a real decline
Like many Argentines and even people around the world I wish Messi could get a tournament win with Argentina almost more than I wish to see Argentina win…guy has put in the time! 148 games with national team…but it takes an entire team and luck… Brazil is certainly the favorite to repeat as champions no matter who they play
I've been a big fan of South American football but after watching the Euro semis, the quality difference between the superior Euro teams and the Copa America teams is stark. The Euro finalists are just so much faster than their South American counterparts and frankly have superior talent. But that's OK, if I only cared about the players being the best on the planet, life would be boring.
I have noticed lots of non traditional media coverage for the Copa America final. Hell even NPR had an unusual "sportsy" style story about the final. I figured when I first heard the intro that it would dive into the obvious politics of the tournament, how Bolsonaro had it moved to Brazil to prove that coronavirus is no big deal, and how his approval rating has tanked. But it was just your typical ESPN style "who is better and who will win." Kind of interesting, but I can't help but believe the US media wouldn't care if it wasn't Brazil-Argentina but instead Brazil-Colombia or Brazil-insert non Argentine opponent here.
Oh well, it's been a great tournament. Looking forward to Saturday.
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Yes…following closely…games have been tight in Copa America
Stingy, cowardly, chopped up play and unsportsmanlike behavior have been prevalent unlike Eurocup…
Latin American soccer definitely hurting…and I think on a real decline
The game is simply more physical in South America and guys are more reckless (see Gabriel Jesus' face kick against Chile).
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Kind of interesting, but I can't help but believe the US media wouldn't care if it wasn't Brazil-Messi but instead Brazil-Colombia or Brazil-insert non Messi opponent here.
fixed.
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Totally agree about Eurocup vs Copa America and I will write about that at some point
Anyone that watches can see the difference
Having the tournaments at same time for the first time is really hammering the point home
Argentina hasn’t beat Brazil in Brazil in decades..Sidehatch and I paid to see the game- a meaningless pre 98 WC friendly - in some Latino restaurant in Arlington….Argentina hasn’t won a tournament since 1993 (two Olympic golds including one with Messi do not count)
At that point -1993- I was 22 and Argentina had won 86 World Cup, finished second in 90 WC, won 91 America Cup and 93 America Cup! I truly believed it was so easy…boy was I proven wrong and boy does losing suck
It’s been decades since Argentina even scored a goal in a tournament final and our team kind of sucks… my expectations are low
We have had very good teams in the past few decades but never put it together…this is not one of those teams but anything can happen
I just want it for Messi…dude is getting old… but many great players never win anything…it is what it is… in any case I don’t get too excited about Copa America… I am about the World Cup… if somehow- highly unlikely- Argentina beats Brazil , even In pks, in the Maracana it would be epic… Brazil is just a better team and Argentina doesn’t beat Brazil often..it’s our nemesis along with Germany
One more thing: Messi has been busting serious ass…I mean he looks motivated and INTO it…he has had a hand in every Argentina goal…like never before… he is doing it all..the leadership is off the charts… maybe it’s realizing his time is almost over but man he is killing it… there was a curt schilling bloody sock moment in the semis afterColombian dude flattened his ankle…Messi kept going ..in the past he faded a lot and seemed indifferent
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No updates, must have been lots of drinking in Starskyistan last night
I bet he’s wishing he was here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6AfIqZXIAUzTim?format=jpg&name=medium)
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I regret to inform everyone that my well-placed sources report that Hutch died minutes before the opening kick, so he missed all of this. #SoSad #RIP #IllMissHisSmile
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#IllMissHisSmile
ya had me until this...rarely spotted and infrequently documented
although I'm sure its from ear to ear today
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Surely we are supposed to be yelling EEES CUHHMIN ‘OME now, yeah?
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https://twitter.com/HooligansTV_eu/status/1414274955974434825?s=19
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Surely we are supposed to be yelling EEES CUHHMIN ‘OME now, yeah?
Got em.
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Congrats to Argentina. Di Maria's goal was incredible and assist on it was even better. Brazil obviously took a dump on the bed and didn't really try until the last 20 minutes. Tite will probably get fired over this.
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Totally agree about Eurocup vs Copa America and I will write about that at some point
Anyone that watches can see the difference
Having the tournaments at same time for the first time is really hammering the point home
Argentina hasn’t beat Brazil in Brazil in decades..Sidehatch and I paid to see the game- a meaningless pre 98 WC friendly - in some Latino restaurant in Arlington….Argentina hasn’t won a tournament since 1993 (two Olympic golds including one with Messi do not count)
At that point -1993- I was 22 and Argentina had won 86 World Cup, finished second in 90 WC, won 91 America Cup and 93 America Cup! I truly believed it was so easy…boy was I proven wrong and boy does losing suck
It’s been decades since Argentina even scored a goal in a tournament final and our team kind of sucks… my expectations are low
We have had very good teams in the past few decades but never put it together…this is not one of those teams but anything can happen
I just want it for Messi…dude is getting old… but many great players never win anything…it is what it is… in any case I don’t get too excited about Copa America… I am about the World Cup… if somehow- highly unlikely- Argentina beats Brazil , even In pks, in the Maracana it would be epic… Brazil is just a better team and Argentina doesn’t beat Brazil often..it’s our nemesis along with Germany
One more thing: Messi has been busting serious ass…I mean he looks motivated and INTO it…he has had a hand in every Argentina goal…like never before… he is doing it all..the leadership is off the charts… maybe it’s realizing his time is almost over but man he is killing it… there was a curt schilling bloody sock moment in the semis afterColombian dude flattened his ankle…Messi kept going ..in the past he faded a lot and seemed indifferent
Great analysis. Congrats to you and Argentina for the big win. You deserve it.
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umm, I'm starting to get concerned and may have to do a wellness check...
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I feel bad for England but I think Italy was a better team…
Still, England is perhaps making progress…semis in last WC and now finals
Bizarre putting a 19 year old to take the often critical 5th penalty kick
I get that Raheem Sterling is not comfortable taking pks but he really should have taken one
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Bizarre putting a 19 year old to take the often critical 5th penalty kick
I get that Raheem Sterling is not comfortable taking pks but he really should have taken one
i'd replace "bizarre" with something much harsher - unfair, stupid, irresponsible. PKs, especially in a tournament final, are the most stressful thing a player can be asked to do. handling nerves on the big stages isn't something rookies generally do well at. worse yet, in addition to losing this tournament they may have effed up Saka and the others kids who missed for some time - the mental image of those missed PKs could haunt them forever.
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I really don’t know what happened…the whole thing seemed messed up
But they are men..professionals… at the end of the day sometimes inexperienced younger players feel less pressure… and he could have deferred
It’s not how I would have managed it…To me Gareth Southgate seems in over his head but he got them into the finals and lost in a penalty shootout so the English freak out seems exaggerated (The comments on the BBC website…good lord)
I see some players that are really good (Kane, Maguire, Shaw, Sterling etc) in England but they are still missing a few
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Scoring in the 1st 2 minutes and then laying back and playing defense until Italy tied it up was a bad strategy. Also bringing in players in the last minutes for penalty kicks seems a bad strategy as well. don't you want players who haven't been sitting for 100 minutes and have been in the flow of the game taking penalty kicks?
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Scoring in the 1st 2 minutes and then laying back and playing defense until Italy tied it up was a bad strategy. Also bringing in players in the last minutes for penalty kicks seems a bad strategy as well. don't you want players who haven't been sitting for 100 minutes and have been in the flow of the game taking penalty kicks?
I don't think I have ever seen a match where a team that took an early 1-0 lead didn't sit back and try to win playing, to steal an American football term, "prevent defense." Argentina did it against Colombia. Colombia did it against Brazil.
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Scoring in the 1st 2 minutes and then laying back and playing defense until Italy tied it up was a bad strategy. Also bringing in players in the last minutes for penalty kicks seems a bad strategy as well. don't you want players who haven't been sitting for 100 minutes and have been in the flow of the game taking penalty kicks?
So technically, Southgate let the English team have a go at getting a second goal for about the first 15-20 minutes, then inexplicably decided it was time to out Italian the Italians, which can't be done. Had they gotten the second goal then, it would have been over. Having failed to do that, he put the brakes on way too soon.
And Southgate REALLY failed to adjust to the Italian changes in the second half. The tying goal was inevitable at that point.
Regarding the time on the pitch for the eventual penalty takers, they were originally scheduled to come on with 5 minutes to go but for some reason the English bench didn't submit their numbers when the ball when out (I personally think they realized that if they make the subs then, they wouldn't have a right back, hence why for the last 30 seconds when they did come on, Rashford was playing right back). The next ball that went out was an Italian goal kick (can't sub) and then a corned kick for the Italians about 4 minutes after the initial attempt to sub that they decided not to sub. Impossible place for England who probably thought they would get more than just one opportunity in 5 minutes to make the subs, but the didn't. Now they're forced to break the cardinal rule - never make subs while defending a corner, but they had no choice. Got a bit lucky there, but yes, they had zero time to get in the flow of the game.
So then, the perceived wisdom from practice is to have your last 3 takers be 23, 21 and 19 years old. Sure Rashford and Sancho have great PK records (like 19/21 and 10/11) but I can't think of a single PK Saka has taken for Arsenal. Inexcusably bad decision considering who else was available to be chosen, and using how things were going in practice to decide how they would work in a real life scenario in a game of that magnitude.
I feel a little for Southgate here as he had been making great decisions in the tournament, much to the chagrin of the English fanbase and press, but his defense first mentality worked and got them to a final for the first time in over 50 years. But his decision making 20 minutes into the final exposed his weaknesses and lack of experience, and the Italians trounced.
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Scoring in the 1st 2 minutes and then laying back and playing defense until Italy tied it up was a bad strategy. Also bringing in players in the last minutes for penalty kicks seems a bad strategy as well. don't you want players who haven't been sitting for 100 minutes and have been in the flow of the game taking penalty kicks?
So technically, Southgate let the English team have a go at getting a second goal for about the first 15-20 minutes, then inexplicably decided it was time to out Italian the Italians, which can't be done. Had they gotten the second goal then, it would have been over. Having failed to do that, he put the brakes on way too soon.
And Southgate REALLY failed to adjust to the Italian changes in the second half. The tying goal was inevitable at that point.
Regarding the time on the pitch for the eventual penalty takers, they were originally scheduled to come on with 5 minutes to go but for some reason the English bench didn't submit their numbers when the ball when out (I personally think they realized that if they make the subs then, they wouldn't have a right back, hence why for the last 30 seconds when they did come on, Rashford was playing right back). The next ball that went out was an Italian goal kick (can't sub) and then a corned kick for the Italians about 4 minutes after the initial attempt to sub that they decided not to sub. Impossible place for England who probably thought they would get more than just one opportunity in 5 minutes to make the subs, but the didn't. Now they're forced to break the cardinal rule - never make subs while defending a corner, but they had no choice. Got a bit lucky there, but yes, they had zero time to get in the flow of the game.
So then, the perceived wisdom from practice is to have your last 3 takers be 23, 21 and 19 years old. Sure Rashford and Sancho have great PK records (like 19/21 and 10/11) but I can't think of a single PK Saka has taken for Arsenal. Inexcusably bad decision considering who else was available to be chosen, and using how things were going in practice to decide how they would work in a real life scenario in a game of that magnitude.
I feel a little for Southgate here as he had been making great decisions in the tournament, much to the chagrin of the English fanbase and press, but his defense first mentality worked and got them to a final for the first time in over 50 years. But his decision making 20 minutes into the final exposed his weaknesses and lack of experience, and the Italians trounced.
So it didn't come home then, you're saying?
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So it didn't come home then, you're saying?
Funny thing about that song. It came home more than you could imagine if people knew more than just that lyric of the song:
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home (we'll go getting bad results)
Everyone seems to know the score
They've seen it all before
They just know
They're so sure
That England's gonna throw it away
Gonna blow it away
But I know they can play
'Cause I remember
Three Lions on a shirt
Jules Rimet still gleaming
Thirty years of hurt
Never stopped me dreaming
So many jokes, so many sneers
But all those oh-so-nears
Wear you down
Through the years
But I still see that tackle by Moore
And when Linekar scored
Bobby belting the ball
And Nobby Dancing
(What a save, Gordon Banks!
(Good old England, England that couldn't play football)
(England have got it in the bag)
I know that was then but it could be again
Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home)
Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home)