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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: HoyaSaxa03 on September 19, 2005, 08:23:00 pm
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now that we're on the eve of Q and Not U's last shows ... of the current crop of local rock contendors, who do you think will make it "big" on a national level (either in the indie scene or mainstream)?
1) Washington Social Club?
-- don't you kind of feel like their buzz window to really go national has passed? am i wrong there?
2) One of the Dischord groups composed of old scenesters (Medications, Evens, Weird War, etc)
-- i feel like all these groups are as big as they'll ever be, with niche audiences
3) Cartel.dc?
4) Bicycle Thieves?
5) Monopoli?
6) Army of Me?
7) One of those cookie cutter nova bands?
I'm sure i'm missing a bunch on here, so feel free to add some
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Fee Foe 5
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alot if it is down to luck and timing but I think cartel.dc could go national if they keep the quality of their initial releases
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
now that we're on the eve of Q and Not U's last shows ... of the current crop of local rock contendors, who do you think will make it "big" on a national level (either in the indie scene or mainstream)?
1) Washington Social Club?
-- don't you kind of feel like their buzz window to really go national has passed? am i wrong there?
2) One of the Dischord groups composed of old scenesters (Medications, Evens, Weird War, etc)
-- i feel like all these groups are as big as they'll ever be, with niche audiences
3) Cartel.dc?
4) Bicycle Thieves?
5) Monopoli?
6) Army of Me?
7) One of those cookie cutter nova bands?
I'm sure i'm missing a bunch on here, so feel free to add some
hmmmmmmmmm.
well, i agree completely with you on the WSC note. i remember at one point in time i was thinking "okay, this is it, they're about to make it really big" and then...well, it didn't really happen so much. i wish they would get more national recognition though, because they are just fantastic and such hard-working and talented musicians.
as far as the dischord groups go, ditto as well. they'll always have large DC followings but a lot of people really haven't caught on. i definitely thought more people would get into the Evens, and i am still surprised at how many people i know that were die-hard Fugazi fans and don't even know that the Evens exist.
Cartel i've heard OF; but never heard...
Bicycle Thieves i've really just started getting into, so i can't really say. i think they're great, and have great potential but i don't know too much about their history and whatnot, so i can't really say. i really hope to see more of them around though, and think they'd be a really nicely and easily marketable band. y'know, for all those recording jackasses that are concerned with that stuff and whatnot.
Monopoli i'm also not INSANELY familiar with, however i again think they are great and have a lot of potential, yadda yadda.
Army of Me, well goddamnit, i sure as hell hope they do. prepare for a rant. i know that most of you on here pretty much despise of this band and i'm really sorry for that. i understand though, because they are kind of a hit-or-miss band. from what i've observed from other people that have seen/heard/i've tried to get into them; you either love it or hate it. and a lot of you have hated it, and hated that they always have amazing opening slots around here for your favorite bands. but whatever. deal with it. i love these guys to death, i love their music; i have loved it from the first time i heard it. they are really incredibly hardworking guys who are constantly touring and trying to balance jobs and other stuff (as you may or may not know, their bassist also plays in Hello Tokyo)...which of course most musicians are doign as well, but they just dedicate so much to their music and that gives me so much fucking respect for these guys. i've also got to hand it to them, that these guys have gotten better each time i've seen them, and are alawys improving and looking out for what they can do to improve.
so with all of that said, i really think they have the potential to make it big on a more national level but have no idea what is going to happen. they have been playing around here for so long and sometimes it just boils down to whether you've got the luck to know the right people or not. so i sure as hell hope they get some recognition, and if they keep recieving these awesome opening slots then you would think that something would pull through. but the music industry...well, you never know these days. i also wish a lot of you guys on here wouldn't just glaze over this band so much because they really are a fun live act.
i also will definitely root for Exit Clov and The Soft Complex; both i think are amazing and really original sounds with awesome potential. so if you haven't checked out either of these two, please do so.
The Greenline are also really great, i was lucky enough to catch them at fort reno this summer. they are awesome though, and i hope they keep playing together (there was some ambivalence expressed on this a while ago) because they seem to really have it together and have a really solid and interesting sound to them.
so there's my two cents...
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I like Army of Me :)
I hope we make it big! yeah.
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Had it been a year ago, I'd say WSC. Monopoli would be who I'd go with now.
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as far as bands/singers with potential to break through that i've seen personally...but making it big? and we're comparing to Q and Not U? Did Q and Not U really "make it big?"
andy zipf
exit clov - probably won't be "big," but could definitely become a solid player on the national indie circuit.
two if by sea
soft complex
the bonapartes - doing some interesting stuff; i think they need to come a ways still before they'll be on the potential breakthrough level
restoring poetry in music
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Washington Social Club were dubbed "hot up-and-comers" in yesterday's New York Times "Men's Fashion of The Times" magazine. I take that to mean that their star has faded.
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Originally posted by callat703:
and we're comparing to Q and Not U? Did Q and Not U really "make it big?"
i'd say they're the biggest local indie rock group, and i think they "made it big" ... most knowledgeable rock fans around the country know who they are, probably not the same for most of the other bands i mentioned (except for the dischord groups, maybe)
do we get to claim ted leo?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
1) Washington Social Club?
-- don't you kind of feel like their buzz window to really go national has passed? am i wrong there?
I don't think it's too late for them. It does seem like they've slowed down a bit since last year's national attention (Warped Tour, MTV, a week on Kimmel (I think that was the show) and a nationally distributed CD), but that's not uncommon after your latest CD has been out for a year. I'll bet when their new CD comes out, they'll be getting a lot of attention again. I think these folks are the best-bet for breaking through.
2) One of the Dischord groups composed of old scenesters (Medications, Evens, Weird War, etc)
-- i feel like all these groups are as big as they'll ever be, with niche audiences
Unfortunately, I agree. Medications may be my favorite band in the city right now. They deserve a lot more attention than they're getting. I don't see it happening though.
3) Cartel.dc?
The time is right for these guys to hit. Don't take this the wrong way Fico, but for some reason I always associate your sound with Death Cab. And I mean that in a good way. With DCFC blowing up the way they are, I could see a lot of people digging their sound. You guys need to get a record out ASAP.
4) Bicycle Thieves?
5) Monopoli?
6) Army of Me?
I've seen these bands and always came away thinking they were just ok. Good, solid bands, but I never came away thinking "Wow - they were terrific!" Not incredibly unique, but definitely not boring either. Who knows - maybe that's exactly what it takes to break through.
Julian mentioned Two If By Sea. I really like these guys. They should have been snapped up in the "they'll be the next Bloc Party/Killers" sweep, but I think that time has passed. Great band though.
I really wish Beauty Pill could hold a steady line-up. Maybe then they could hit the road more and get more national attention.
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So which bands currently playing the Grog and Tankard will be breaking out soon?
evil kosmo
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Your Pal!!!!
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I actually would think the best money to break big would be on one of those non-descript cookie cutter bands in nova, ala our friends good charlotte from waldorf
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i don't know - i sort of think the pop-punk thing has run its course. it doesn't seem like any of that is really that big right now, and music trends seem to be changing.
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Interesting thread I'm just catching up on...
I agree with many points expressed here..WSC are incredibly nice guys and they deserve a break..they're ready for it and yesterday's popmatters thought so:
Saw this on popmatters' site: http://popmatters.com/music/features/cmj2005/day3-showcases.shtml (http://popmatters.com/music/features/cmj2005/day3-showcases.shtml)
WASHINGTON SOCIAL CLUB
Why can't we treat new rock more like advances in technology? No engineer was ever expected to reinvent the wheel, just improve on it. Add a motor here, a chassis there and (holy smokes) you've got a car where there was once a carriage. If we think of rock that way then the Washington Social Club just won the space race. Their songs are effervescent bursts of rock n' roll energy, their vocals and their riffs are spot-on. Best of all, you can tell that their music won't seem dated in a year because it's next year's technology. The Washington Social Club isn't trying to be "new," just trying to be good, and that's one of the newest ideas I've heard in awhile.
It's hard for us local bands. For one, I haven't heard of a band catch a break by being recognized or appreciated on the DC "market". It seems it'll take for some curious A&R to catch you at a NYC show to get the ball rolling..to that extent bands such as Monopoli, Exit Clov, Army of Me, WSC and Us are trying to get a buzz going within NYC...but it's all luck really...
I don't mind a comparison to Death Cab. One of our guitarists is from the Pacific Northwest so he grew on bands like Death Cab and Modest Mouse when they weren't known outside of a 50mile radius. He got me into Death Cab and I quite like them. Can't say the same for the rest of the boys in the band...
We are looking into finishing up some songs we recorded in NYC plus maybe record 2 or 3 more ideas we have to we can have a new EP of 5 or 6 songs by November...wishfull thinking right now, but it could happen so stay tuned...
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
you heard it here first!!
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btw, the one week residency WSC had was on Carson Daly not Kimmel if I recall correctly..
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Originally posted by Fico:
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
you heard it here first!!
http://www.thecedarsband.com/ (http://www.thecedarsband.com/)
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Originally posted by Fico:
btw, the one week residency WSC had was on Carson Daly not Kimmel if I recall correctly..
Yeah - that's it. I just couldn't think of it this morning. Thx.
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The Cedars band URL seems quite a small time outfit based on what I saw... I would tend to think your name choice is safe Fico should you(Cartel) decide to change it.
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Originally posted by indietastic:
The Cedars band URL seems quite a small time outfit based on what I saw... I would tend to think your name choice is safe Fico should you(Cartel) decide to change it.
That's what they said about the name "Cartel"
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enough with the being nice!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
enough with the being nice!
Oh, well then, disturbed sucks, MxPx sucks, rufio sucks,...
<small>[ 09-20-2005, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: kosmo vinyl ]</small>
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Maybe so- but the other Cartel does seem rather legit....you have to be kidding me with this other Cedars, they are a cover band so it seems...
I would reckon even a slight name change to The Cedars could be had if needed. No seems to have taken the name outside on this small band.
EH?
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Originally posted by Fico:
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
Awful. We gave you an entire thread of ideas that were better then that.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
enough with the being nice!
Oh, well then, disturbed sucks, MxPx sucks, rufio sucks, [/b]
dude... self imposed forum exiles have worked wonders in the past
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
Awful. We gave you an entire thread of ideas that were better then that. [/b]
I must confess that I probably stopped reading the thread halfway...much like Rhett's sexuality, the topic got deviated... :)
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Originally posted by indietastic:
Maybe so- but the other Cartel does seem rather legit....you have to be kidding me with this other Cedars, they are a cover band so it seems...
I would reckon even a slight name change to The Cedars could be had if needed. No seems to have taken the name outside on this small band.
EH?
They don't appear to be a cover band.
They have two CDs out and have been playing shows under the name for a couple of years. Granted, the Fargo-Moorhead music scene isn't Brooklyn, but it still appears that they have established themselves under that name, which I believe is what matters from a legal perspective.
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Hmm, actually just looked at the site- they are the cedars.
Cartel is shooting for Cedars. So legally, they should be ok.
Good point about the Fargo-Moorhead scene. ha.
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My sexuality has not deviated. I've always found you to be totally fookin hawt.
Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
Awful. We gave you an entire thread of ideas that were better then that. [/b]
I must confess that I probably stopped reading the thread halfway...much like Rhett's sexuality, the topic got deviated... :) [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
My sexuality has not deviated. I've always found you to be totally fookin hawt.
Originally posted by Fico:
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
oh, and Cartel.dc will start going by "Cedars"
Awful. We gave you an entire thread of ideas that were better then that. [/b]
I must confess that I probably stopped reading the thread halfway...much like Rhett's sexuality, the topic got deviated... :) [/b]
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Then how come you haven't made it to our shows to cheer me on?? I was actually surprised at how normal you are in person (on the surface of course)...
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I think there are lots of possibilities in the DC area but it's just so difficult and competitive, not to mention that so many of them tend to fit into niche markets.
One example that has been left out is Phaser. They have fans all around the world who really love them and are dying for them to tour their countries but, alas, that is not to be. At least, not at this time. It just takes way too much money and their international label had decided that they just weren't the band to continue investing in.
I would also keep an ear out for Meredith Bragg.
Alcian Blue and, to some extent, Ceremony (ex Skywave) are doing quite well in the worldwide Shoegaze community but, again, that's a very niche market. An extention of that is A Place To Bury Strangers which is Oliver Ackerman's (ex-Skywave) band but it took him moving to NYC to get that going. I would definitely say their star is slowly moving upwards too and probably much faster than any of the others that I've mentioned previously.
If you really wanted to hear a lot of DC and Baltimore area bands on the radio, you should listen to 3wk.com as they have always been very supportive of our local scene yet they are not a local station to us.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
One example that has been left out is Phaser.
yes, i agree, great band ... but i'm not sure they'll ever "take off", know what i mean?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
One example that has been left out is Phaser.
yes, i agree, great band ... but i'm not sure they'll ever "take off", know what i mean? [/b]
Yes, unfortunately, I do.
I have very good reason to think they think so too although they haven't fully given up. I recently tried to get them a gig but they refused to do so as of now. Not that they won't consider it in the future but just couldn't get them to do so now. The good thing is, don't dismiss them completely as they all still have their irons in the fire in some way.
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i forgot about trans am ... they're still around, right?
i guess their hey-day has passed though
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How about Supersystem? Do they still live in DC? And haven't they achieved some measure of success? Not as big as Q and Not U, but they seem to be known outside of DC.
I also really like Nethers. Their sound could attract attention from the indie set. If they picked up a support slot on a tour, they could get signed.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i forgot about trans am ... they're still around, right?
i guess their hey-day has passed though
Oh, yeah. Good call!
Another one of those 3wk.com bands whom I didn't realize were from DC until several years after I had heard them played so much on the radio. They've always played tons of local music such as Beauty Pill, Convocation Of..., Microphones, The Apes, The Make-Up, The Evens, Decahedron, Black Eyes, Phaser, French Toast, Trans-Am, Fatales, The Walkmen, French Kicks, Dead Meadow, Will Oldham (can we still include him?), Meredith Bragg, The Medications, Cex, Cass McCombs, Supersystem, Bob Mould (hey, he's local now!), Deep Dish, Ted Leo, Weird War, along with a few others I know I'm forgetting.
If they get some decent new material out soon, possibly Fatales.
What about Decibully? Are they local?
And then there are French Kicks (whom I personally can't stand) and The Walkmen who maybe are both excluded considering they've already sort of 'made it'. Depends on your parameters for this topic. Either way, they too, if they get some new worthwhile material out, could be snapped up by some major and pushed even further up the music chain.
Dead Meadow has picked up quite a few new fans worldwide with their change in direction and latest release. I wouldn't count them out yet by any means. In fact, I kind of think that if they keep going in their new direction and don't lose any steam, they would probably be the band I'd end up selecting in a DC area band bet.
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Not sure if putting the French Kicks and Walkmen in the list is appropriate as they "made it" while based outside of DC, in NYC. They are NY band pretty much. I mean, none of us Cedars members for example are DC natives, yet we are a DC band. Shouldn't the same be applied to FK and the Walkmen?
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Sure, if you live in Milwaukee.
And I'd hardly say getting a headlining gig at Velvet Lounge is "making it".
Originally posted by Jaguär:
What about Decibully? Are they local?
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Trans Am don't make the type of music that "makes it." Now, The Mistletones...
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"And I'd hardly say getting a headlining gig at Velvet Lounge is "making it".
Obviously you have never been to the VIP area where the headliners get massages and cocaine smoothies.
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Hi, this is the manager for the Fargo band The Cedars. I don't want to be rude, I just came here via referrer logs and I wanted to say, I think the name you are proposing is a bit similar and might cause confusion for both of us. They are an original roots rock group that is quite established around this area and have had their songs played on several radio stations around the country. According to this link: http://www.music-law.com/bandname.html (http://www.music-law.com/bandname.html) you might be banned from selling CDs in this area if you were to hit it big with your new name. I have found references to cases where the two names were less similar than "Cedars" and "The Cedars" and there were still legal difficulties so I'm not sure "the" is a sufficient difference.
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It would appear the stolen-namer's have became the name-stealee's, or something like that.
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Fico, wasn't Fargo your number 1 targeted market? Better stop playing music altogether...
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As I told Fico in the "rename our band thread", phrases are in, one word names are out. They need some stupid nonsensical multi-word phrase like "Stand Up, Get Down" or "Bad Sushi, Good Head."
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Yeah yeah I know Fargo could drop off the planet and nobody would care, I'm just saying if you're going to want them to change their band name now that's not really going to work.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
As I told Fico in the "rename our band thread", phrases are in, one word names are out. They need some stupid nonsensical multi-word phrase like "Stand Up, Get Down" or "Bad Sushi, Good Head."
could we drop this for the time being... it's as worn out as Ben's Chili Bowl.
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Cedars is a bit phallic, don't you think?
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Suck it boyo... Cedars it is, we'll send stickers yer way...
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Originally posted by Fico:
Suck it boyo... Cedars it is, we'll send stickers yer way...
All joking aside, I can't believe right after having your name stolen by another band you'd go out and knowingly choose a name another band has.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
could we drop this for the time being... it's as worn out as Ben's Chili Bowl.
Also a great band name.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
Suck it boyo... Cedars it is, we'll send stickers yer way...
All joking aside, I can't believe right after having your name stolen by another band you'd go out and knowingly choose a name another band has. [/b]
I never care about names..I for one hated the name Cartel to no end..but you got 4 other people in the band...and I tend to be the one to get outvoted on things like this..so I'm not fighting this one...specially after the great news we got this morning that you'll know soon enough...
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Originally posted by Fico:
...specially after the great news we got this morning that you'll know soon enough...
You're scoring the background music to "Donkey Punch 7"?
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
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Originally posted by Fico:
Suck it boyo... Cedars it is, we'll send stickers yer way...
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All joking aside, I can't believe right after having your name stolen by another band you'd go out and knowingly choose a name another band has.
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I never care about names..I for one hated the name Cartel to no end..but you got 4 other people in the band...and I tend to be the one to get outvoted on things like this..so I'm not fighting this one...specially after the great news we got this morning that you'll know soon enough...
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Maybe you don't care, but isn't it obvious that these guys out West do care? I mean, that's kind of shady, especially since they've gone out of their way to be nice about it. It isn't like you all have played any shows around the area as Cedars yet - why would it be so difficult to work out something different if somebody objects to it, especially if they will be facing the same problem that you guys did?
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Originally posted by callat703:
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
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Originally posted by Fico:
Suck it boyo... Cedars it is, we'll send stickers yer way...
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All joking aside, I can't believe right after having your name stolen by another band you'd go out and knowingly choose a name another band has.
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I never care about names..I for one hated the name Cartel to no end..but you got 4 other people in the band...and I tend to be the one to get outvoted on things like this..so I'm not fighting this one...specially after the great news we got this morning that you'll know soon enough...
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Maybe you don't care, but isn't it obvious that these guys out West do care? I mean, that's kind of shady, especially since they've gone out of their way to be nice about it. It isn't like you all have played any shows around the area as Cedars yet - why would it be so difficult to work out something different if somebody objects to it, especially if they will be facing the same problem that you guys did? [/b]
You really think it's someone related to them??? wouldn't that person send us an e-mail directly?? it's some clown from the forum taking the piss obviously...
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no idea, but isn't the point the same?
and you think somebody from the forum who would do that actually would spell all of the words correctly and find an actual legal backing for their point?
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Originally posted by Fico:
You really think it's someone related to them??? wouldn't that person send us an e-mail directly?? it's some clown from the forum taking the piss obviously... [/QB]
It seems that it is their manager according to the handle on the band's website. But you should beware of the wrath of Darrin and Darrell...
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
...specially after the great news we got this morning that you'll know soon enough...
You're scoring the background music to "Donkey Punch 7"? [/b]
We were, but our guitarist lost his wah-wah pedal...
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OK email sent to carteldc@carteldc.com . I guess I should have made my e-mail address public, it is pangolin22@yahoo.com and you will see me on http://www.thecedarsband.com (http://www.thecedarsband.com) listed as the webmaster.
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Originally posted by Fico:
We were, but our guitarist lost his wah-wah pedal...
It's probably for the best. Who does a porno with a wah pedal? Everyone knows a Frampton-esque voicebox is the way to go!
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Fico:
We were, but our guitarist lost his wah-wah pedal...
It's probably for the best. Who does a porno with a wah pedal? Everyone knows a Frampton-esque voicebox is the way to go! [/b]
Depends on the plotline really..the Wah-Wah works great on orgy scenes...I agree that the voicebox is great for girl on girl action.. the casio keyboard rules on moneyshot scenes...
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Originally posted by Fico:
Depends on the plotline really..the Wah-Wah works great on orgy scenes...I agree that the voicebox is great for girl on girl action.. the casio keyboard rules on moneyshot scenes...
Well I was thinking a nice voicebox "DONKEY PUNCH!" right as the guy punches her in the back of the head would have worked perfect.
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darkhorse candidate for next local band to make it "big" (i use the parentheses because i don't mean playing arenas, but i do think they have a shot at being beloved by hipsters): the childballads.
this is the new band from stewart lupton, formerly of jonathan fire*eater. they've played around for a while, but haven't had any recordings or even a web site. fluxblog posted a song last month (http://www.fluxblog.org/2005_08_22_newflux_archive.html) and it sounds pretty good. their web site (http://www.thechildballads.net/pages/1/index.htm) says they should have an album out in a few months, and i have a feeling that a lot of people reviewing records and deciding what gets hyped were among the few that were big jf*e fans.
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After seeing them precede Ted Leo at the Operation Cease Fire thing tonight, I'm going to confidently predict that the DC Gorilla Poets are going to be the next DC band to "make it big".
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I don't know who this guy is, but he's got opinions!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzcliElrtgr/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==
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His name is Owen Wilson i think
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After seeing them precede Ted Leo at the Operation Cease Fire thing tonight, I'm going to confidently predict that the DC Gorilla Poets are going to be the next DC band to "make it big".
How right Charlie was. They even have their own website now.
https://www.guerrillapoets.org/about
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I don't know who this guy is, but he's got opinions!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzcliElrtgr/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==
I've seen @thenorthcountry and they are worth checking out