The Blues on PBS

[edbert]

To clarify- it's a separate note, but it doesn't increase the # of notes in the scale.  Like if you go to the next "re" (a ninth interval), you don't then say it's a 9-note scale you're playing, etc; it's still a 7-note scale

[G.Love]

Originally posted by edbert:
  To clarify- it's a separate note, but it doesn't increase the # of notes in the scale.  Like if you go to the next "re" (a ninth interval), you don't then say it's a 9-note scale you're playing, etc; it's still a 7-note scale

It's an 8 note scale with 7 intervals - you need a beginning and an end, hence the 8th note.
 Can I suggest a little  music theory to enlighten you?

[G.Love]

or does it need to be alittle  simpler for you? DOH!!!

[edbert]

No, those two pages are wrong, there are 7 notes in a standard major or minor scale and you don't count the octave of the root.  There are a million links I could post with lessons backing up what I say, but here's one with a specific discussion about calling it 7-note vs 8-note.  
 http://users.senet.com.au/~jbe/theory.htm
 And the reason our Do-Re-Mi's end on Do is to show students how that last interval between Ti and Do sounds.  I did get a kick out of that second link you posted; I'll bet that web page author is the world's leading expert on 8th chords, har!

[G.Love]

Edbert,
 Thanks for the link to your home page; it was quite interesting.  
 You make the point yourself that the last DO is included so that you can hear what that seventh interval sounds like between TI and DO, hence the need for the 8 note.
 If you are correct then I believe we should change the name for the interval of eight diatonic degrees between two tones of the same name (the higher of which has twice as many vibrations per second as the lower).  The interval formerly known as an OCTAVE is now a HEPTAVE!  

[edbert]

You're getting more and more wrong every minute, and I officially give up on you.  One last point though, you mentioned the pentatonic scale before: guess why it's called PENTAtonic?  An E pentatonic scale for ex. is E, G, A, B, D.  Five notes, hence "penta".  If you want to count the octave of the root (E) you'd have to call it a hexatonic scale.  Alert PBS!  They need to make last-minute changes to all of their scripts!

[thirsty moore]

Psychedelic, dude.
 
  <img src="http://users.senet.com.au/~jbe/chromaticscale.gif" alt=" - " />

[ggw]

Hey edbert and G.Love -- haven't you guys been taking notes?
 
 G.Love -- you need to call edbert a "faggot"
 
 edbert -- you need to call G.Love a "whiny porky midget"

[G.Love]

Actually Edbert, your example of a pentatonic scale is wrong for a major pentatonic scale.
 The step interval is whole, whole, whole + 1/2, whole, whole + 1/2.
 
 You indicated an E pentatonic scale is
 E, G, B, A, D although in the music world, it is:
 E, F#, G#, B, C#, E    
 
 
 PS - Edbert, go back and listen to your Good Charlotte, and give up on understanding music (sorry Kosmo, I couldn't resist)

[edbert]

"pen·ta·ton·ic : consisting of five tones; specifically : being or relating to a scale in
 which the tones are arranged like a major scale with the fourth and
 seventh tones omitted"
 That's FIVE tones, not five steps, not "pentastepic".  And as for saying "E Pentatonic", you said yourself in your original post that blues riffing is based on a "pentatonic scale", without specifying "minor pentatonic scale", which is what blues riffing is based on.  Why bust my chops for not saying "minor" when you didn't.  
 And a standard scale is SEVEN tones, for crying out loud.  Give it up.  My office neighbor is a Peabody Conservatory grad and he's infuriated with you

[G.Love]

True dat about the minor pent. being used for the blues
 A  scale is a series of notes in ascending or descending order that presents the pitches of a key or mode,  beginning and ending on the tonic of that key or mode. So you step up or down.  Therefore, 5 steps and 6 notes in that scale.
 Tell Mr. Peebody grad to cool his jets and get out of the office and follow his musical dreams instead, for crying out loud.
 
 *Edit* the standard scale is 8 notes, with 7 step intervals - so you give it up!    :p  
 Anyway, I can probably out jam you and Peebody any day because my scale goes to 8 where as yours only goes to 7 - and my amp goes to 11!

[edbert]

That definition doesn't state what the number of notes in a scale is.
  Webster's doesn't have an entry for "major scale", but you can derive it easily from the definition of "pentatonic": 5 notes, 2 missing from major scale, 5+2=7.
 Now go ahead and have the last word, I'm gonna be away from the office for a couple of days and definitely won't remember this argument by the time I get back.
 Good Charlotte, eh?  She sounds hot.

[G.Love]

Originally posted by edbert:
  Good Charlotte, eh?  She sounds hot.

Actually "she" is twins so you can double your pleasure, eh!