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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2004, 01:03:00 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2004, 01:29:00 pm »
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Nope, I think prick and fat cow are of equal weight.  C*** is a word that is held in reserve for especially egregious situations.  For instance, you'd say prick or fat cow in front of your boss or your mother, but would you say c***?  I accepted that we hit each other equally and moved on...hasn't happened in ages, which is the more amazing part of the story.
 
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It would have to be a pretty big prick to have equal weight to a fat cow!  :D  
 
 I like "twat" as you all know. It's short, to the point and not gender specific.
 
 *unt is a big no-no in my vocabulary, unless when referring to anyone associated with Arsenal Football Club. In which case, it's the only word to use.

Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2004, 01:48:00 pm »
Personally, I'd rather be told that I went to "Fat Cow University" than be called a "prick" or a "cunt". I won't say which of the two latter terms phases me more, because if I actually admitted that either of them did, I'm sure certain boardies would take delight in using it any chance they get.
 
    I would not use either "prick" or "cunt" around my boss. I don't think words of that nature are appropriate for the professional workplace, though my boss has been known to toss a few out there (but neither of those as far as I remember).
 
    Then again, I typically don't use either of those words around my wife. Cock and pussy seem to be much sexier.
 
    Or around my mom either.
 
    I agree with Bags that both Phish and GBV have FERVENT fans. My point was that Phish has many MORE fans, as well as many MORE fervent fans. Which have fans with more FERVENCY? Well that's just silly and immeasureable.

Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2004, 01:53:00 pm »
Note: The word I'm looking for could be fervor, not fervency. Not really sure. I'm not a language fanatacist.

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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2004, 02:10:00 pm »
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  I agree with you completely, Kosmo, I've certainly noticed.  But I don't think the higher trolling factor has anything to do with namecalling, cuz there's been virtually none on here for months.  In fact, there was a lot more activity say, last fall, when there was more consistent squabbling going on.  I'm not sure what the falloff's attributable to...for a while I thought there wasn't as much music playing around town that the board folks follow (generally), but we actually had some killer weeks in April and May.  ???
It might just be that there's not much music news in the summer.  Unless you like festival type shows (which have swallowed up the indie bands lately), there's not many tours out there.  
 
 How many new releases are there to look forward to in June, July and August?  How many club tours are there after June 15th?
 
 There's the UK/Europe festivals in August and Radio Station/Lalapalooza/Warped Tour/conglomeration tours in the States and that combination has left this summer in particular, quite dry.  I think I can safely say that most of the usual posters don't like big tours.
 
 I know Kosmo hates the sports talk, and I would love to talk about music too, but even Kosmo's attempt to talk about a cool new band (driveblind) went for naught because they have no MP3's or US releases.  
 
 So what do we do?  We make feeble attempts to make the board interesting.  I know there are baseball fans out there, so I chat up baseball.  I'm sorry if you don't like it, but the alternative is to lurk on the board instead.  I find that some folks here have personalities I enjoy outside of music, so I think running from the board is no answer.  Try to find something else to chat about, otherwise, you're right, it will become a boring place.
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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2004, 02:15:00 pm »
I can say with a straight face that I don't sling any personal shit at anybody on this board, except on a few occasions in the ancient past for which I have apologized.
 
    Do I try to say things that will stir up controversy? Hell yeah. Isn't that part of a discussion board? But they're never directed at anybody specifically. In 10,000 posts, you're going to cross over the line once in awhile and I apologize for those occasional lapses in judgement.
 
 
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 I can't say I've noticed much serious shit slinging recently. Light-hearted piss taking, but not real nasty stuff. Well, apart from Rhett of course, but he does it so often the rest of you should be immune to it at this point. [/b]

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« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2004, 02:17:00 pm »
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  Note: The word I'm looking for could be fervor, not fervency. Not really sure. I'm not a language fanatacist.
But you are qualified to be a Republicanist Presidentilizer!

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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2004, 02:17:00 pm »
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  We make feeble attempts to make the board interesting.  I know there are baseball fans out there, so I chat up baseball.  I'm sorry if you don't like it, but the alternative is to lurk on the board instead.  I find that some folks here have personalities I enjoy outside of music, so I think running from the board is no answer.  Try to find something else to chat about, otherwise, you're right, it will become a boring place.
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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2004, 02:20:00 pm »
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  Note: The word I'm looking for could be fervor, not fervency. Not really sure. I'm not a language fanatacist.
that was hysterical, Rhett...
 
 [no sarcasm in that sentence at all, I thought it was hysterical...]

Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2004, 02:21:00 pm »
Thanks. I owe it all you you for setting up the punch line.   :D  
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  Note: The word I'm looking for could be fervor, not fervency. Not really sure. I'm not a language fanatacist.
that was hysterical, Rhett...
 
 [no sarcasm in that sentence at all, I thought it was hysterical...] [/b]

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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2004, 02:38:00 pm »
personally sports and poltical threads make my eyes glaze over and there's been a lot of those lately...  plus poltical threads usually end up a sniping matches.
 
 part of me wants to create additional forums i.e. non music, self promotion,etc but that would lessen the spirit of the board.  so grinning and bearing will be my route.
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« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2004, 02:44:00 pm »
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  part of me wants to create additional forums i.e. non music, self promotion,etc but that would lessen the spirit of the board.  so grinning and bearing will be my route.
You know, I think that's a great idea.  Other boards do that, and instead of just the three forum options, we could have four.  I almost never read the sports threads, but I just skip over them so I'm down with it.  But, if there were another "Miscellaneous" forum for non-music topics, I'd post about a lot more things (which is probably something no one on here wants anyway...   :D  )

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Re: Phish Breaking Up
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2004, 06:43:00 pm »
May 27, 2004
 CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
 True to Form, Phish Disbands On Its Own Maverick Terms
 By JON PARELES
  The New York Times
 
 This time Phish is really breaking up.
 
 On Tuesday the group announced on its Web site, www.phish.com, that it was disbanding after a final tour this summer. The decision was made four days earlier at a band meeting, it said.
 
 "We all love and respect Phish and the Phish audience far too much to stand by and allow it to drag on beyond the point of vibrancy and health," the band's guitarist, singer and main songwriter, Trey Anastasio, wrote online. "We don't want to become caricatures of ourselves, or worse yet, a nostalgia act." Its final studio album, "Undermind" (Atlantic), is due on June 15. The tour begins on June 17 at KeySpan Park in Coney Island, Brooklyn, and concludes in Coventry, Vt., on Aug. 14 and 15.
 
 If it all sounds a little familiar, that is because the four members of Phish went separate ways in 2000 for an open-ended hiatus and reunited two years later. "This is not like the hiatus, which was our last attempt to revitalize ourselves," Mr. Anastasio wrote. "We're done."
 
 Splitting up in its 21st year of existence, when Phish could easily coast along the arena circuit for as long as it wanted, may be the last unorthodox move in a career full of them. Many of those moves came from the playbook of the Grateful Dead, which figured out how to be a band of arena troubadours, making a career on the road while selling enough albums to satisfy a record company.
 
 The whole Phish template â?? making every performance different, allowing audiences to make and trade concert recordings, archiving and tabulating its collective works, letting every fan feel like an initiate rather than a consumer, never acting like rock stars â?? came from the Dead, as did a significant part of its musical approach.
 
 Like the Dead, Phish stays light-fingered, steering free of any style that contains bombast. The band would rather have fans "bouncing around the room," as one concert staple put it, then feeling aggrieved; as with the Dead, Phish's lyricist, Tom Marshall, is not in the band. And like the Dead, Phish encourages its fans to prize all sorts of music, to fight the niche listening that radio stations and recording companies promote. When band members turned to solo projects, they embraced big-band arrangements (the Trey Anastasio Band), folky guitar (the bassist Mike Gordon's duets with Leo Kottke), Frank Zappa-like humor (the drummer Jon Fishman's Pork Tornado) and Latin music (the keyboardist Page McConnell's band Vida Blue).
 
 In disbanding, Phish may also have been glancing at the Grateful Dead, whose final years on the road with a failing Jerry Garcia were far from their best. But just as likely, Phish was exercising the persnicketyness that always separated it from most of the jam bands on the circuit that Phish helped establish.
 
 Countless jam bands live for the opportunity to vamp and sprawl, spinning long stretches of music out of the most basic structures. Phish can stretch out a song with the best of them, but it has been determined not to sprawl; it always had an ear for structure. Phish comes from the generation after the Dead. Where the Dead looked back to blues, folk and country roots, Phish is also steeped in latter-day styles like progressive rock. In its catalog, it was as likely to come up with suitelike songs as with verse-chorus-verse, and it was as fond of odd time signatures as it was of country-rock lilts.
 
 Phish was always a paradox. A band that lived for improvisation, Phish always had plans: performing other band's albums end to end at its Halloween shows and concocting goofy stage spectacles for arenas. It kept trying different recording strategies, from meticulously overdubbed studio productions to its reunion album, "Round Room," made from rehearsal tapes. And it has played nearly every place imaginable, from the club Wetlands Preserve to gigantic, sold-out, multiset marathon concerts in the middle of nowhere. Phish has nothing left to prove. After August Phish's members are likely to turn up with any number of collaborators. That's what happens in the recombinant universe of jam bands. What disappears is two decades of accumulated reflexes: the subtleties of knowing just when another member is going to start shifting keys in a jam, or when to pause for another member's rhythmic fill.
 
 Reflexes can become formulas, and Phish was always too perfectionistic to want to hear that happen. There are songs on the band's Web site from "Undermind," and they are as varied and breezy as ever. Whether or not Phish knew what was coming, the lyrics hint at valedictory: "Run away, run away, run away," Mr. Anastasio sings in "A Song I Heard the Ocean Sing," and in "The Connection," he sings, "I change my direction/One foot follows the other, one foot follows something new." For two decades, that was Phish's strategy all along.