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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 01:01:00 pm »
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Using singer Zack De La Rocha's hardcore militancy to take the macho swagger and frat-boy idiocy out of funk-metal...
That's funny, because Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history. I'll take the Chili Peppers non-sensical rambles over RATM's indefensibly idiotic, psuedo-violent "politics."
 
 No one with an IQ over 54 can call for the release of Mumia Abu Jamal or 98% of the other things they sing about. Commerce dressed up as rebellion. [/b]
Hyperbole, much?  Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on....

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 01:43:00 pm »
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  Commerce dressed up as rebellion.
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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 01:58:00 pm »
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Using singer Zack De La Rocha's hardcore militancy to take the macho swagger and frat-boy idiocy out of funk-metal...
That's funny, because Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history. I'll take the Chili Peppers non-sensical rambles over RATM's indefensibly idiotic, psuedo-violent "politics."
 
 No one with an IQ over 54 can call for the release of Mumia Abu Jamal or 98% of the other things they sing about. Commerce dressed up as rebellion. [/b]
Hyperbole, much?  Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on.... [/b]
I thought the whole point of this list was bands that released their best material on their debut album. Not to poke fun at anyone's musical taste, but are you saying that Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback and Hinder all had good enough stuff on their debut albums to qualify for this list. Plus from a commercial standpoint at least three of those bands had much more success with their follow-up albums.

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 02:06:00 pm »
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  I thought the whole point of this list was bands that released their best material on their debut album. Not to poke fun at anyone's musical taste, but are you saying that Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback and Hinder all had good enough stuff on their debut albums to qualify for this list. Plus from a commercial standpoint at least three of those bands had much more success with their follow-up albums.
No, no - I was just taking issue with Julian's statement that "Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history."

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 02:35:00 pm »
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 Hyperbole, much?  Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on....
I would put RATM on equal footing with any of those bands listed, except RATM -- unlike the others -- gives off an air of absurd bohemian, socio-liberal pandering, which is pretty much de facto what college is about. Morons feeling political, or smart about listening to imbecilic rap-metal does not, in fact, make them any less fratboy or imbecilic.

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 02:53:00 pm »
and no JAMC either?
 i mean, don't get me wrong, they are one of my favorite bands...but really...Psychocandy kicked all of their other albums' asses, and this is a known fact.

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 03:06:00 pm »
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  and no JAMC either?
 i mean, don't get me wrong, they are one of my favorite bands...but really...Psychocandy kicked all of their other albums' asses, and this is a known fact.
I must not be a JAMC purist because Automatic was always my favorite album.
 
 "Although released to generally poor reviews at the time, with the synthesized drums and bass being the biggest point of contention, Automatic contains their most successful single up to that point, "Head On" (later covered by Pixies). Critical and fan reception has improved with the passage of time. Pitchfork Media wrote in 2006: "Conventional wisdom wrongly calls (Automatic) the dud," of the JAMC's discography, but that in hindsight the album "feels like a career peak."

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2008, 01:07:00 pm »
Kiss

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2008, 01:56:00 pm »
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  Kiss
I think many people would argue that Alive! was their peak.

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2008, 02:40:00 pm »
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  Kiss
C'mon... All of Kiss' albums up to Love Gun are damn good. You can shit on the cartoon image, but those albums stand up as solid 70s rock.
 
 J&MC 'Psychocandy' is a winner, can't believe that one never occured to me. Darklands is good, as is Barbed Wire Kisses (though not a proper album) but not even in the same convo as the debut. I think Automatic is ass.
 
 I don't remember seeing the New York Dolls on that list. Considering the article is called Too Much Too Soon, I'd be kind of surprised they're not on there, especially since they ragingly qualify.
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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2008, 03:31:00 pm »
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  Kiss
I think many people would argue that Alive! was their peak. [/b]
But Alive! was quasi-live versions of songs of which almost half were taken from their debut album.

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Re: AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2008, 03:37:00 pm »
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Originally posted by TheREALHunter:
  Kiss
C'mon... All of Kiss' albums up to Love Gun are damn good. You can shit on the cartoon image, but those albums stand up as solid 70s rock.
 
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They had good songs up to that point and beyond, I just think the first album was their strongest as to what material was on there though admittedly the album is a bit under-produced.