I may just enjoy re-living my mid-90's grunge hey day, but I feel I must defend this poor band. They've def had ups and downs...i pretty much like every other album. Throwing copper, good stuff, but secret samadhi, too introspective and the points they were trying to make got very much lost in the randomness of the lyrical imagery. Distance to here was brilliant (for a mainstream grungish rock act) but they tried to hard to get back into the swing of the times with V. I'm relatively happy with the simple pleasures of hearing Live rock out again on their new album, even though it's not another throwing copper qualitywise. Thing about them is that they are extremely straighforward in having earnest messages to their music, even if it's not exactly the deepest stuff in the world. Case in point, "I believe in the sanctity of dreams", some reviewer said that only Live could pull that crap off with any validity and he's right. I've seen them in concert twice and both times it was a blast, Ed takes a while to loosen up but then you can tell that he's really enjoying this. At heart they are still the hometown boys from central PA that made it good.