Nirvana song named best of past 25 years

[mankie]

They may be responsible for kids wearing flannel shirts tied round their wastes, but they were still FUCKING SHITE! The only talent out of that band was Grohl, who is a bloody genius, and I'm not a great fan of his music, but the man is talented...the other two were just in a band that were in the right place at the right time.

[Bags]

Originally posted by larkjr:
  I guess then that it would depend on what you think of the modern rock format that the success of Nirvana's single created. I think it is pathetic, from ridiculous imitators like the Offspring on down the line.  
 
 I looked at KROQ's playlist and consider it complete trash.

Very good point -- I wonder how the timing of Nirvana and all its influence coincides with the debilitating decline of modern rock radio in the U.S.  Back in the late 80s, WHFS was a wonder.  I can't listen to a minute of it now, and haven't been able to for about....5, 6 years??  Maybe longer.  I'd rather listen to DC101 (which is why I don't listen to the radio).
 
 Would be interesting to dig into this 'coincidence.'
 
 And Mankie's right, as is often the case (from what I've seen so far!).  Grohl is really quite brilliant.  Brilliant.  And I *do* like his new music.  But damn that man can do anything, and enjoy himself (and be funny) while doing it.

[da'niceguys]

i have to completely disagree with the statement that dave grohl was the only talent in nirvana, i think that is pretty ridiculous, especially since grohl came after some of my favorite nirvana songs...(this is not to take away from grohl's talent, he's great)
 
 i think instead of looking at the decline of modern rock and somehow placing blame on nirvana, it is probably more worthwhile to think of where modern rock would be if nirvana hadn't had left us, instead of having 2nd rate nirvana wannabe's trying to live up to a rock icon that they'd never live up to because of the history of it we'd have the real thing continuing to push the envelope and making the other bands work harder.

[larkjr]

After Nirvana broke, there was a sense to me of excitement, something new in the air.  Perhaps now there was a possibility that great format-busting music could emerge from the underground en masse to be heard by anyone on their radios.  This didn't happen, the �??alternative�?� stations behaved like all other stations, demanding that everything fit within their narrow format definition, and playing the same songs from bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam over and over again, 12 times a day. (I mean, didn�??t we already own these albums?)  Not to blame station programmers, they are just responding to advertisers and teenagers demands.
 
 So really, Nirvana didn�??t change anything, and that�??s why I tend to evaluate them like any other band, based on the merits of their music alone. Which is to say, they weren't bad, for music on the radio.

[Bags]

Originally posted by larkjr:
  So really, Nirvana didn�??t change anything, and that�??s why I tend to evaluate them like any other band, based on the merits of their music alone. Which is to say, they weren't bad, for music on the radio.

I think, in the end, radio just plain sucks.  If I were an eleven year old girl again, I might feel differently (but would be back to "sucks" by 14!)

[kosmo vinyl]

actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything.  like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc.  nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal.  they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out.  just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.  
 
 Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.  
 
 Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana.  Most of the records are filler with the occasional single.  And his lyrics are pretty subpar... anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Once again, I'm in agreement with Kosmo.
 
 

Originally posted by kosmo:
  actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything.  like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc.  nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal.  they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out.  just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.  
 
 Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.  
 
 Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana.  Most of the records are filler with the occasional single.  And his lyrics are pretty subpar... anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?

[kosmo vinyl]

foo fighter - the lager louts = oasis

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Given who VH-1 is, the selection comes as no surprise.
 
 Who did you guys think they were going to pick? Some Mother Love Bone song? Some Guided By Voices song.
 
 That Nirvana song was instrumental in introducing "alternative rock" to the mainstream. Did alternative rock and alternative radio go downhill after that? I would argue yes. Once something is introduced to the mainstream the bojective switches from making something for the sake of the art to making something for the sake of the sale.

[mankie]

Originally posted by kosmo:
  foo fighter - the lager louts = oasis

huh!    
 
 Do you mean
 
 Oasis - the lager louts = Foo Fighter
 
 OR
 
 Foo Fighter + lager louts = Oasis

[kosmo vinyl]

doh... still got the polyphonic spree bouncing around in my head.. that and all my teachers said i didn't pay attention to detail.

[keithstg]

Originally posted by kosmo:
  actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything.  like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc.  nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal.  they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out.  just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.  
 
 Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.  
 
 Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana.  Most of the records are filler with the occasional single.  And his lyrics are pretty subpar... anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?

Sure, Nirvana may have brought people away from hair bands, but ultimately I think that they failed to produce anything that had not been done, and done better, before.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Ok, then what would be your top 5 songs post 1978 and pre-Nirvana?
 
 

Sure, Nirvana may have brought people away from hair bands, but ultimately I think that they failed to produce anything that had not been done, and done better, before. [/QB]

[larkjr]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Given who VH-1 is, the selection comes as no surprise.
 
 Who did you guys think they were going to pick? Some Mother Love Bone song? Some Guided By Voices song.

Well, yes clearly The Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory is the best song of the last 25 years.  I cannot believe VH1 can fail to put it in the top 100    
 
 
 That Nirvana song was instrumental in introducing "alternative rock" to the mainstream. Did alternative rock and alternative radio go downhill after that? I would argue yes. Once something is introduced to the mainstream the bojective switches from making something for the sake of the art to making something for the sake of the sale.
 
 Surely you cannot be saying Nirvana made records for the sake of art.  If anything, they were the first "art" band making records just for the sale.
 
 On the hair metal thing, they did seem to knock GnR off their roost but this kind of thing happens all the time.  I don't see how this "changed the music industry", just the usual ebb and flow of what's hot and what's not.  Hair metal was so rotted out any slight breeze would of brought it down.

[kosmo vinyl]

well i think axl not nirvana brought g n' r down...