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Rock is Dying
« on: February 03, 2005, 03:08:00 pm »
Rock's in a hard place
 
 Tuesday, February 1st, 2005
 
 Is rock dead?
 Not quite. But judging from its performance on the charts - and compared to its biggest bands and trends from a few years ago - it's wheezing.
 
 Cast your eye down 2004's Top 10-selling album list and you won't see a single new rock band. The sole hard guitar group is Evanescence - a holdover from 2003. The nearest thing to a new guitar band is Maroon 5, which didn't make it on a rock song but on a soul single, "This Love," and a billowing pop ballad, "She Will Be Loved."
 
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 Broaden your view to the year's Top 20 sellers and you'll find just one other rocker - and an aging one at that - Prince, who gave away enough copies of his "Musicology" to place it 18th in 2004.
 
 
 Rap, meanwhile, racked up five albums in the Top 20.
 
 R&B landed the No. 1 slot with Usher's "Confessions," which outsold the No. 2 entry, from Norah Jones, by more than 2 to 1.
 
 Rap and country were both able to launch huge new stars. Kanye West and Gretchen Wilson each sold between 2.5 and 3 million copies of their debuts.
 
 Only one breaking rock act, Hoobastank, cracked the 2 million mark, and by the skin of its teeth. And the Hoobsters managed that feat only by crossing over with an adult pop single, "The Reason." Considering that "The Reason" was the second-most-played number on radio last year (after Usher's "Yeah!"), Hoobastank's album should have sold many more copies.
 
 When rock was more muscular - during the eras of grunge (mid-'90s), punk-pop (late '90s) and rap-metal (turn-of-the-century) - no such tepid pop crossover was even necessary.
 
 What rock lacks these days is a newer band as humongous as Korn, Limp Bizkit, Metallica, Nickelback, Staind, Blink 182, Linkin Park, Coldplay or Creed - not to mention the super-power-hitters of grunge, like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.
 
 Each of those groups sold between 3 million and 10 million copies of their prime CDs.
 
 Compare that to the typical sales of today's biggest new rock bands. Los Lonely Boys, Velvet Revolver, Switchfoot, Modest Mouse, Jet and Yellowcard have all sold fewer than 2 million albums. Another of the top rock albums of the last year, Guns N' Roses' "Greatest Hits," harkens back to past guitar glories.
 
 The new rock groups who've gotten the most press lately have likewise yet to sell in star numbers.
 
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 The Killers, Franz Ferdinand, Interpol and The Rapture, represent the rock trend of the moment - neo-'80s alterna-rock. But the biggest of those bands (Killers and Franz) have yet to go platinum after a year of sales. That means fewer than a million copies.
 
 The lesser groups (Interpol and The Rapture) haven't even sold enough records to go gold between them. That's a total of fewer than 500,000 copies.
 
 The neo-'80s trend follows a previous rock movement that fizzled - garage rock. The only major act to arise from that trend was the White Stripes. Their main competition, The Strokes, ran out of steam by album No. 2, while other heavily hyped contenders, like The Hives, faded completely.
 
 Some other rock bands who've been positioned as "the next big thing" likewise haven't lived up to their hype.
 
 The Darkness got as much ink as Paris Hilton in the last year. But their album barely snuck past gold. Alter Bridge, which comprises the musicians from the defunct band Creed, didn't even crack sales of 300,000 with their debut.
 
 At the moment, the top-selling guitar acts - Green Day and U2 - have been around for 15 and 25 years, respectively.
 
 Linkin Park is the only rock-rap group to continue to sell in multiplatinum numbers. And they may have needed the input of Jay-Z's extra rapping on their recent mash-up CD, "Collision Course," to sustain that.
 
 What rock would need to reclaim its primacy isn't a band with a huge pop hit (like Hoobastank or Maroon5), but a real, grassroots movement with its own sound and philosophy - like grunge.
 
 Some observers thought emo might be that movement, with its growing cult stars, Death Cab For Cutie, Dashboard Confessional and Bright Eyes. But those groups have sold only in the several hundred thousand range so far.
 
 And to sell, they've softened their sound, not hardened it. Which means whoever or whatever revives rock's prominence is nowhere in sight.
 
 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/276809p-237111c.html

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 03:36:00 pm »
Sad....
 
 It's snowing in DC.  Like the frozen tears of rock fans because only Hoobastank is carrying their water...

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 03:43:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 it's wheezing.
Must be all the second-hand smoke.

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 03:45:00 pm »
Can any of those bands mentioned really be considered "rock"?

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 03:56:00 pm »
Frankly, who gives a flying rat's ass how many units "rock" acts are selling? Ever since when is popularity any gauge of artistry?
 
 The masses have had their musical senses dumbed down by the homogeneous crap that Clear Channel feeds them day in, day out and that's what they buy.
 
 As far as I'm concerned, it's a good thing. I'd hate to have to pay $40 to sit in the back of an arena to see the kind of acts that are regularly booked at the 9:30.

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 03:56:00 pm »
Has this happened before in America?
 
 Rock really does seem to be in trouble. A scan of the radio reveals about 3 country Music stations a whole load or Rap, RnB  vs DC101 and a classic Rock station. Personally I choose the classic rock.
 
 The odd thing is that the music getting played in clubs around here is still almost all rock. Maybe Bowie was right when he said in future of music was the live experience.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2005, 04:30:00 pm »
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
  Frankly, who gives a flying rat's ass how many units "rock" acts are selling? Ever since when is popularity any gauge of artistry?
 
 The masses have had their musical senses dumbed down by the homogeneous crap that Clear Channel feeds them day in, day out and that's what they buy.
 
 
HEAR HEAR
 
 On top of that I also say, Velvet Revolver and Monster Magnets latest.

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2005, 05:06:00 pm »
Ashlee Simpson with 2.6M.? In the words of that famous board member, O'Mankie, I'm tossing on my keyboard.  What's the female iteration of "wanker"? Wankerette? Jeez

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2005, 06:28:00 pm »
i love the art called music.  i love to know the thing whom came the idea to invent it; not the charade of things that most expect, but the underthing thing that shows us how one simple idea of creation can escalate into a division line of hate migrate, based on each one's pwn another person's taste.  this whole board is fueled by the lines which are drawn/crossed/erased/mixed by this wonderful music invention.
 
 and i quote noone but myself when "hail hail" is uttered before your personal preference.  control remains always behind you.
 
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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 02:10:00 am »
I'll refer back to the quote that constantly paces the back of my mind when considering today's media drivel...
 
 HL Mencken once said..."No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
 
 Let alone, I don't get the big hubub over Jet.  I really don't.  Can't figure it out.
 
 Lastly, I can't understand the popularity of these NOW cds.  It's just a commercial collection of SHIT!

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 04:01:00 pm »
but anything on tv is what we want, what we need.  why is it that people who sell stuff on hsn are either caked in drag queen make-up, or are so gay, they make harvey firestein look straight?  NOW cds will be there fifty years in the future and make us go, "yes . . . i loved that 'back that thing up' by some silly rapper guy.  hopefully by then, rap music will be as forgotten as classical is now.
 
 word to that woman who acts like a mother.

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2005, 06:05:00 pm »
The problem with this article is that it only shows a narrow view of record sales and makes a broad conclusion based on top-selling acts. To gauge if rock really is dying, it would be better to look at overall sales of the genre compared to previous years. I don't have these number, so I won't speculate.
 
 It doesn't really matter if Hoobastank is the top-selling rock act or that only a few broke the 2 million mark. It may very well be that the rock genre is going away from blockbuster acts and becoming more diverse. I'm betting that independent labels are primarily rock labels than any other genre. It may very well be that there are far more rock acts selling in the 50,000-100,000 range or even the 10,000-50,000 range than any other genre. Again, I don't know for sure.
 
 Just pointing out that this article only looks at top-selling acts on major labels and doesn't take into account a huge segment of the industry.

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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 07:15:00 pm »
Thanks for reading my mind regarding the diversity of rock and lowered per unit sales, I was going to make the same point just hadn't gotten around to it.
 
 There were certainly a number of people enjoying the "rock" at the Take Action show on Weds.  I also observed they were buying a load of merchandise at the show.  Maybe in this day and age of digital downloads people are more likely to buy a couple t-shirts or hoodies instead of a CD.
 
 The best selling records are always going to dominated by those releases which appeal to the buyer who only get a couple CDs a year.  This group of people represent a large portion of the consumers.  These are people who keep mall record stores in business, buying up the big blockbusters Carole King's Tapestry, Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, Whitney Houston, Norah Jones, etc.
 
 Part of this can be blamed on the restricted playlists of radio stations.  Why The Features, The White Stripes, can't be play along side Bowie or the Rolling Stones is beyond me.  Older fans complain there is nothing new is good.  However, I have a relative who enjoys Little Steven's show because he always hears great stuff he's never heard before.
 
 There is also the segment that are still buying reissues of stuff they grow up with.  Or have stopped buying although.
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Re: Rock is Dying
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2005, 06:12:00 am »
I bet there's much more rock music stolen, oops! I mean shared over the internet, than other genres so the charts don't truly reflect what is being listened to. Besides, if you watch MTV and all that other shit, you'll see the only crap marketed on there is hip-hop, boy/girl bands and "let's kill whitey" (c)rap.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2005, 10:28:00 am »
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
  I bet there's much more rock music stolen, oops! I mean shared over the internet, than other genres so the charts don't truly reflect what is being listened to. Besides, if you watch MTV and all that other shit, you'll see the only crap marketed on there is hip-hop, boy/girl bands and "let's kill whitey" (c)rap.
Actually, most of the illegal downloads for music aren't much different than the listings on the Billboard Hot 100 singles.
 
 I also think the majority of the indie labels are rock... just more of the CCM variety.
 
 One reason rock isn't as sucessful as it used to be is that a lot of these current rock bands are a bit too complex and too serious for mass audiences. Nowadays, people just want to hear the simple melodies with simple lyrics performed under three minutes and some seconds, and that's it.
 
 Just look at the singles charts. Most of those songs are love songs. The album charts is mostly a mix of party albums and adult contemporaty pop music disguised as "Country". As far as universal themes go, I don't think much has changed over the past 25 years. It just sounds different now.
 
 Also, image plays an important role in all of this. Most of the R&B/Pop and Country videos I see on the video channels, everyone is smiling and dancing, or at least looking like they're having some kind of fun. I see some of these new rock videos and I'm always wondering, 'why does everyone look soo depressed and upset?'
 
 That's just my quick opinion on it...